1 00:00:43,840 --> 00:01:58,660 you 2 00:02:14,550 --> 00:02:06,550 [Music] 3 00:02:15,830 --> 00:02:14,560 bespoke radio for the masses headline 4 00:02:19,110 --> 00:02:15,840 edition july 8 5 00:02:20,150 --> 00:02:19,120 1947 the army air forces has announced 6 00:02:21,910 --> 00:02:20,160 that a flying disc 7 00:02:23,510 --> 00:02:21,920 has been found and is now in the 8 00:02:26,229 --> 00:02:23,520 possession of the army 9 00:02:28,150 --> 00:02:26,239 if the game is rigged change the game 10 00:02:31,350 --> 00:02:28,160 game changer 11 00:02:33,350 --> 00:02:31,360 i occasionally think how quickly our 12 00:02:36,390 --> 00:02:33,360 differences worldwide 13 00:02:37,190 --> 00:02:36,400 would vanish if we were facing an alien 14 00:02:40,820 --> 00:02:37,200 threat 15 00:02:46,790 --> 00:02:43,589 [Applause] 16 00:02:47,509 --> 00:02:46,800 this is faded black with your host jimmy 17 00:02:49,990 --> 00:02:47,519 church 18 00:02:51,110 --> 00:02:50,000 on the game changer radio network and 19 00:02:53,990 --> 00:02:51,120 kgra 20 00:02:55,910 --> 00:02:54,000 the global radio alliance 21 00:03:05,030 --> 00:02:55,920 [Music] 22 00:03:07,030 --> 00:03:05,040 1985. 23 00:03:17,990 --> 00:03:07,040 you're listening to fade to black with 24 00:03:24,390 --> 00:03:18,000 jimmy church on the game changer network 25 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,149 this spoke radio 26 00:03:37,270 --> 00:03:32,789 for the 27 00:03:39,110 --> 00:03:37,280 masses uh yeah man how you doing how you 28 00:03:48,869 --> 00:03:39,120 doing today's tuesday 29 00:03:56,869 --> 00:03:53,030 we're 168 days into the new year 30 00:03:57,830 --> 00:03:56,879 only 198 days left we are live from a 31 00:03:59,110 --> 00:03:57,840 bunker 32 00:04:01,750 --> 00:03:59,120 somewhere in the middle of beautiful 33 00:04:03,270 --> 00:04:01,760 downtown burbank california and i would 34 00:04:04,630 --> 00:04:03,280 like to welcome everybody listening all 35 00:04:09,030 --> 00:04:04,640 around the world 36 00:04:12,229 --> 00:04:09,040 all across the united states 37 00:04:12,630 --> 00:04:12,239 hither and tether to and fro back and 38 00:04:14,470 --> 00:04:12,640 forth 39 00:04:17,670 --> 00:04:14,480 up and down east and west north and 40 00:04:21,909 --> 00:04:20,629 this is fade to black for kjcr the game 41 00:04:25,030 --> 00:04:21,919 changer network and 42 00:04:27,749 --> 00:04:25,040 kgra the planets 43 00:04:30,629 --> 00:04:27,759 i'm murals jimmy church what is cracking 44 00:04:33,030 --> 00:04:30,639 everybody how you doing 45 00:04:35,990 --> 00:04:33,040 how you doing what a great show last 46 00:04:43,430 --> 00:04:39,189 when you do uh an ama ask me 47 00:04:46,469 --> 00:04:43,440 anything like we did last night 48 00:04:46,479 --> 00:04:51,670 i know that we had uh probably 49 00:05:01,510 --> 00:04:56,950 oh i'm gonna guesstimate here and say 50 00:05:06,550 --> 00:05:04,790 that's a lot that's a lot and that's a 51 00:05:07,270 --> 00:05:06,560 week's worth of shows and i think i 52 00:05:10,710 --> 00:05:07,280 probably 53 00:05:14,230 --> 00:05:10,720 got 75 in maybe 54 00:05:17,270 --> 00:05:14,240 50 75 uh full show but 55 00:05:22,070 --> 00:05:17,280 man uh at the end of that i'm 56 00:05:25,189 --> 00:05:22,080 i'm spent i'm spend i'm done i'm toast 57 00:05:28,390 --> 00:05:25,199 and it was uh it was a lot of fun and i 58 00:05:30,230 --> 00:05:28,400 i i can't wait to do it again and it's 59 00:05:33,909 --> 00:05:30,240 also interesting 60 00:05:37,029 --> 00:05:33,919 how different 61 00:05:38,550 --> 00:05:37,039 you know different people there are 62 00:05:41,749 --> 00:05:38,560 different segments 63 00:05:44,230 --> 00:05:41,759 of of the audience out there some are 64 00:05:45,909 --> 00:05:44,240 over at talk stream live some are at 65 00:05:49,510 --> 00:05:45,919 kgra 66 00:05:52,790 --> 00:05:49,520 some are at spreaker some 67 00:05:56,070 --> 00:05:52,800 iheart some are on youtube some 68 00:05:58,309 --> 00:05:56,080 are on twitter some are on facebook 69 00:05:59,430 --> 00:05:58,319 um and these different feeds that we 70 00:06:02,469 --> 00:05:59,440 have going on out there 71 00:06:03,670 --> 00:06:02,479 and they don't necessarily interact in 72 00:06:05,590 --> 00:06:03,680 the past 73 00:06:07,590 --> 00:06:05,600 and if you think about it like this in 74 00:06:10,790 --> 00:06:07,600 the past we've uh 75 00:06:13,990 --> 00:06:10,800 nearly exclusively done all of our amas 76 00:06:14,390 --> 00:06:14,000 with twitter right because it's easy to 77 00:06:17,990 --> 00:06:14,400 do 78 00:06:21,510 --> 00:06:18,000 and and so but splitting this off now 79 00:06:26,469 --> 00:06:21,520 into different groups where that 80 00:06:29,670 --> 00:06:26,479 group hasn't posted questions before 81 00:06:32,710 --> 00:06:29,680 and so some of them have been asked 82 00:06:33,909 --> 00:06:32,720 before but they never heard the answer 83 00:06:35,830 --> 00:06:33,919 because they weren't you know what i 84 00:06:37,110 --> 00:06:35,840 mean and it was very interesting to see 85 00:06:41,430 --> 00:06:37,120 that last night 86 00:06:43,510 --> 00:06:41,440 that the general interest fantastic fast 87 00:06:45,350 --> 00:06:43,520 just an unbelievably great show last 88 00:06:47,430 --> 00:06:45,360 night i want to thank everybody 89 00:06:48,629 --> 00:06:47,440 for not only hanging out everybody on 90 00:06:51,430 --> 00:06:48,639 facebook you guys are 91 00:06:52,550 --> 00:06:51,440 you guys are just awesome awesome uh the 92 00:06:54,550 --> 00:06:52,560 fader knots and 93 00:06:55,830 --> 00:06:54,560 everybody that tunes into the show each 94 00:07:00,150 --> 00:06:55,840 night uh 95 00:07:02,469 --> 00:07:00,160 with that wow what a week on the show 96 00:07:04,309 --> 00:07:02,479 last night was the ama of course tonight 97 00:07:06,790 --> 00:07:04,319 walter cruttenden is here 98 00:07:07,670 --> 00:07:06,800 we're going to be talking about the 99 00:07:11,830 --> 00:07:07,680 universe 100 00:07:18,390 --> 00:07:11,840 now when you say that that pretty much 101 00:07:21,990 --> 00:07:20,550 that's it that's all there is we're 102 00:07:23,110 --> 00:07:22,000 gonna do that tonight with walter i 103 00:07:25,589 --> 00:07:23,120 cannot wait 104 00:07:26,870 --> 00:07:25,599 and uh speaking with uh with walter 105 00:07:29,029 --> 00:07:26,880 right before the show tonight 106 00:07:31,350 --> 00:07:29,039 he goes yeah i hope to talk about blah 107 00:07:33,029 --> 00:07:31,360 blah blah blah blah blah and i was like 108 00:07:36,070 --> 00:07:33,039 wow 109 00:07:38,070 --> 00:07:36,080 yes it's going to be a good show 110 00:07:40,550 --> 00:07:38,080 tomorrow night dean rayden is here with 111 00:07:43,670 --> 00:07:40,560 a conversation about our mind 112 00:07:45,270 --> 00:07:43,680 our brain and consciousness 113 00:07:47,430 --> 00:07:45,280 that is tomorrow night it's going to be 114 00:07:48,070 --> 00:07:47,440 another extraordinary show thursday 115 00:07:56,150 --> 00:07:48,080 night 116 00:07:57,909 --> 00:07:56,160 the call-in show last thursday 117 00:07:59,270 --> 00:07:57,919 with everybody's uh forgotten 118 00:08:02,390 --> 00:07:59,280 experiences 119 00:08:05,909 --> 00:08:02,400 and we are still tallying 120 00:08:09,350 --> 00:08:05,919 the numbers uh for the winner and 121 00:08:11,670 --> 00:08:09,360 i will get back to you i have no issues 122 00:08:14,070 --> 00:08:11,680 with all of you good people right now 123 00:08:17,510 --> 00:08:14,080 like posting up in twitter 124 00:08:20,070 --> 00:08:17,520 uh who you uh twitter's easy you can 125 00:08:23,270 --> 00:08:20,080 also email me jimmy jimmychurchradio.com 126 00:08:27,350 --> 00:08:23,280 just post up there post up there and i 127 00:08:31,510 --> 00:08:27,360 will uh thursday night is fader night 128 00:08:35,509 --> 00:08:31,520 so i hope to uh have the tallies 129 00:08:39,029 --> 00:08:35,519 done but what i will do is i'll review 130 00:08:42,870 --> 00:08:39,039 all of the calls all of these stories 131 00:08:43,829 --> 00:08:42,880 which i have here uh with you to remind 132 00:08:46,790 --> 00:08:43,839 you 133 00:08:48,790 --> 00:08:46,800 okay all right there there's there's 134 00:08:51,670 --> 00:08:48,800 like a three-way tie 135 00:08:52,310 --> 00:08:51,680 right now and and we definitely need to 136 00:08:54,230 --> 00:08:52,320 break it 137 00:08:56,070 --> 00:08:54,240 okay all right so we'll do that on 138 00:08:58,949 --> 00:08:56,080 thursday haven't forgotten about that 139 00:08:59,829 --> 00:08:58,959 that that hat okay follow me on twitter 140 00:09:06,949 --> 00:08:59,839 at j 141 00:09:10,630 --> 00:09:06,959 church radio hashtag f2b is the sandbox 142 00:09:13,590 --> 00:09:10,640 you can engage their hashtag f2bq 143 00:09:14,470 --> 00:09:13,600 is fade to black questions if you post 144 00:09:17,910 --> 00:09:14,480 in 145 00:09:19,190 --> 00:09:17,920 f2bq make it a question if it's not a 146 00:09:23,030 --> 00:09:19,200 question 147 00:09:24,550 --> 00:09:23,040 i just mute you yep that's what i do i 148 00:09:25,670 --> 00:09:24,560 just mute i'm like man there's a 149 00:09:27,990 --> 00:09:25,680 violator 150 00:09:29,030 --> 00:09:28,000 can't can't have time for that click 151 00:09:36,550 --> 00:09:29,040 click mute 152 00:09:40,310 --> 00:09:36,560 i just want questions in hashtag 153 00:09:43,430 --> 00:09:40,320 ftbq email is jimmy jimmychurchradio.com 154 00:09:45,030 --> 00:09:43,440 we have two chat rooms open spreaker and 155 00:09:47,430 --> 00:09:45,040 of course kgra 156 00:09:48,470 --> 00:09:47,440 and everybody that's going to town over 157 00:09:51,750 --> 00:09:48,480 on youtube 158 00:09:53,430 --> 00:09:51,760 and uh our facebook radio page 159 00:09:55,350 --> 00:09:53,440 uh good evening good evening to 160 00:09:56,470 --> 00:09:55,360 everybody all right get your immune 161 00:09:58,630 --> 00:09:56,480 system boosted i 162 00:10:00,630 --> 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209 00:11:50,389 --> 00:11:47,680 data in c i a 210 00:11:52,629 --> 00:11:50,399 history happened because a specialized 211 00:11:54,230 --> 00:11:52,639 unit within the agency was so focused on 212 00:11:56,870 --> 00:11:54,240 building cyber weapons 213 00:11:58,629 --> 00:11:56,880 that an employee took advantage of a 214 00:12:02,470 --> 00:11:58,639 woefully lacked security 215 00:12:05,350 --> 00:12:02,480 system and gave secret hacking tools 216 00:12:07,030 --> 00:12:05,360 to wikileaks all of this according to an 217 00:12:10,470 --> 00:12:07,040 internal report 218 00:12:12,629 --> 00:12:10,480 by the cia which was released today 219 00:12:15,670 --> 00:12:12,639 the hacking tools stolen in the breach 220 00:12:18,629 --> 00:12:15,680 which occurred back in 2016 221 00:12:20,710 --> 00:12:18,639 that's right hacking tools when 222 00:12:23,829 --> 00:12:20,720 wikileaks published what it claimed to 223 00:12:24,389 --> 00:12:23,839 be the largest trove of cia documents 224 00:12:27,670 --> 00:12:24,399 dubbed 225 00:12:29,590 --> 00:12:27,680 vault 7. i talked about it quite a bit 226 00:12:31,110 --> 00:12:29,600 right here on fade to black which 227 00:12:32,230 --> 00:12:31,120 detailed some of the agencies 228 00:12:35,430 --> 00:12:32,240 sophisticated 229 00:12:38,310 --> 00:12:35,440 cyber weapons the cia report 230 00:12:40,949 --> 00:12:38,320 said the agency didn't know the full 231 00:12:42,949 --> 00:12:40,959 extent of the damage because the cci 232 00:12:44,310 --> 00:12:42,959 system unlike other parts of the 233 00:12:47,990 --> 00:12:44,320 agency's it 234 00:12:51,030 --> 00:12:48,000 systems did not require user activity 235 00:12:53,030 --> 00:12:51,040 monitoring or other safeguards i'm not 236 00:12:55,590 --> 00:12:53,040 kidding it was just wide open for 237 00:12:58,790 --> 00:12:55,600 anybody to have access to 238 00:13:02,069 --> 00:12:58,800 right the report reads and i 239 00:13:04,710 --> 00:13:02,079 am quoting quote the 240 00:13:05,110 --> 00:13:04,720 most of our sensitive cyber weapons were 241 00:13:08,470 --> 00:13:05,120 not 242 00:13:11,269 --> 00:13:08,480 compartmented users shared systems 243 00:13:11,590 --> 00:13:11,279 administrator level passwords there were 244 00:13:15,030 --> 00:13:11,600 no 245 00:13:17,590 --> 00:13:15,040 effective removal media tools 246 00:13:19,389 --> 00:13:17,600 there and historical data was available 247 00:13:22,389 --> 00:13:19,399 to users 248 00:13:25,030 --> 00:13:22,399 indefinitely now 249 00:13:27,750 --> 00:13:25,040 the cia's lack cyber security practices 250 00:13:29,430 --> 00:13:27,760 were also highlighted in federal court 251 00:13:30,790 --> 00:13:29,440 all of this happened earlier this year 252 00:13:34,230 --> 00:13:30,800 during the trial 253 00:13:37,350 --> 00:13:34,240 of joshua schult the xcia 254 00:13:40,470 --> 00:13:37,360 employee who is accused of handing over 255 00:13:43,829 --> 00:13:40,480 reams of classified data to wikileaks 256 00:13:47,269 --> 00:13:43,839 in 2016. in 257 00:13:49,829 --> 00:13:47,279 october of 2017 the report 258 00:13:50,629 --> 00:13:49,839 was introduced as evidence during the 259 00:13:53,350 --> 00:13:50,639 trial and 260 00:13:55,350 --> 00:13:53,360 schultz attorneys argued that the system 261 00:13:57,269 --> 00:13:55,360 security was so poor 262 00:13:58,629 --> 00:13:57,279 that the information could have been 263 00:14:03,509 --> 00:13:58,639 accessed by a 264 00:14:05,910 --> 00:14:03,519 large number of employees anybody 265 00:14:07,670 --> 00:14:05,920 in march a federal grand jury in new 266 00:14:11,110 --> 00:14:07,680 york failed to reach a verdict 267 00:14:11,910 --> 00:14:11,120 and rather schult did in fact give the 268 00:14:15,110 --> 00:14:11,920 data 269 00:14:18,389 --> 00:14:15,120 to wikileaks now 270 00:14:21,269 --> 00:14:18,399 there is talk in this report we're 271 00:14:34,470 --> 00:14:30,790 34 35 36 terabytes 272 00:14:37,110 --> 00:14:34,480 terabytes that's right 273 00:14:39,829 --> 00:14:37,120 well you knew this was gonna happen and 274 00:14:43,269 --> 00:14:39,839 i guess the days of 275 00:14:44,470 --> 00:14:43,279 of flying are just well the the old days 276 00:14:47,670 --> 00:14:44,480 of flying are certainly 277 00:14:51,350 --> 00:14:47,680 officially over because 278 00:14:54,790 --> 00:14:51,360 most of the airlines right now including 279 00:14:57,670 --> 00:14:54,800 easyjet and klm in europe 280 00:14:58,069 --> 00:14:57,680 delta airlines and america airlines here 281 00:15:02,470 --> 00:14:58,079 in 282 00:15:06,069 --> 00:15:02,480 australia 283 00:15:09,189 --> 00:15:06,079 are suspending all or part 284 00:15:09,990 --> 00:15:09,199 of their alcoholic drinks and its 285 00:15:14,870 --> 00:15:10,000 service 286 00:15:21,509 --> 00:15:17,990 that's right no more 287 00:15:24,150 --> 00:15:21,519 alcohol on airlines 288 00:15:26,550 --> 00:15:24,160 passengers spending less time drinking 289 00:15:28,949 --> 00:15:26,560 will have their faces covered longer 290 00:15:30,870 --> 00:15:28,959 and this will also curb the interaction 291 00:15:33,430 --> 00:15:30,880 time between flight attendants 292 00:15:35,030 --> 00:15:33,440 and travelers in other words they don't 293 00:15:37,590 --> 00:15:35,040 have to serve drinks they don't have to 294 00:15:39,189 --> 00:15:37,600 ask you what you are drinking because 295 00:15:42,150 --> 00:15:39,199 there's going to be no more drinks 296 00:15:44,470 --> 00:15:42,160 so no more interacting that's it you 297 00:15:46,710 --> 00:15:44,480 don't have to uncover your face to 298 00:15:48,310 --> 00:15:46,720 you know to down whatever you're 299 00:15:49,509 --> 00:15:48,320 drinking throughout the flight you're 300 00:15:50,949 --> 00:15:49,519 not going to do that you're going to 301 00:15:55,350 --> 00:15:50,959 keep your faces covered the 302 00:15:59,990 --> 00:15:55,360 only thing that they may offer 303 00:16:01,990 --> 00:16:00,000 is water and you know what they said 304 00:16:03,670 --> 00:16:02,000 nobody likes to drink water so they're 305 00:16:03,990 --> 00:16:03,680 going to keep their faces covered anyway 306 00:16:05,990 --> 00:16:04,000 oh 307 00:16:07,430 --> 00:16:06,000 food is out food is right out you can 308 00:16:08,150 --> 00:16:07,440 forget about that there's going to be no 309 00:16:10,069 --> 00:16:08,160 food 310 00:16:11,910 --> 00:16:10,079 you're not going to be uncovering your 311 00:16:14,870 --> 00:16:11,920 face uh 312 00:16:16,710 --> 00:16:14,880 to stuff it with not only peanuts but a 313 00:16:18,550 --> 00:16:16,720 cold sandwich or whatever it was that 314 00:16:19,189 --> 00:16:18,560 they were offering bag of chips whatever 315 00:16:20,710 --> 00:16:19,199 it was 316 00:16:22,629 --> 00:16:20,720 it ain't happening you can bring it on 317 00:16:26,069 --> 00:16:22,639 the plane with you 318 00:16:29,829 --> 00:16:26,079 right with no alcohol but that's it 319 00:16:31,829 --> 00:16:29,839 they want your face covered i also heard 320 00:16:33,189 --> 00:16:31,839 there are some airlines that are not 321 00:16:36,230 --> 00:16:33,199 selling the center seats 322 00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:36,240 some are some are they haven't quite 323 00:16:39,829 --> 00:16:37,040 gone that far 324 00:16:41,910 --> 00:16:39,839 yet but i don't know without it's just 325 00:16:43,110 --> 00:16:41,920 the scare that they put into everybody i 326 00:16:45,269 --> 00:16:43,120 don't know if i could 327 00:16:46,790 --> 00:16:45,279 sit next to somebody for five six seven 328 00:16:50,230 --> 00:16:46,800 eight hours on a plane 329 00:16:51,670 --> 00:16:50,240 and i just i just i couldn't before 330 00:16:53,749 --> 00:16:51,680 coronavirus 331 00:16:55,350 --> 00:16:53,759 the star works ufo's an artificial 332 00:16:56,150 --> 00:16:55,360 intelligence conference in laughlin 333 00:16:58,470 --> 00:16:56,160 nevada 334 00:17:00,310 --> 00:16:58,480 november 5th through the 8th is 335 00:17:03,430 --> 00:17:00,320 happening at the aquarius 336 00:17:03,990 --> 00:17:03,440 hotel and casino grant cameron's going 337 00:17:08,309 --> 00:17:04,000 to be there 338 00:17:11,270 --> 00:17:08,319 fox alan stivelman sid goldberg 339 00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:11,280 and another dozen great speakers we're 340 00:17:14,710 --> 00:17:12,720 going to be doing two nights of sky 341 00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:14,720 watches i will be hosting i'll be 342 00:17:19,189 --> 00:17:16,079 hosting the conference 343 00:17:21,909 --> 00:17:19,199 i'm going to be speaking as well so come 344 00:17:24,549 --> 00:17:21,919 and check it out starworksusa.com 345 00:17:26,309 --> 00:17:24,559 for tickets and info the banners are 346 00:17:28,789 --> 00:17:26,319 over at jimmychurchradio.com 347 00:17:31,029 --> 00:17:28,799 also the biggest event in the world the 348 00:17:33,190 --> 00:17:31,039 biggest one disclosure fest 349 00:17:34,870 --> 00:17:33,200 at the historic los 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amazing 366 00:18:14,390 --> 00:18:11,039 disclosurefest.org totally free 367 00:18:16,630 --> 00:18:14,400 alright disclosurefest.org let's get to 368 00:18:20,630 --> 00:18:16,640 show crack and happy birthday to today 369 00:18:24,390 --> 00:18:20,640 the one and only blues brother tom 370 00:18:28,950 --> 00:18:24,400 bones malone today is 73 years old 371 00:18:32,150 --> 00:18:28,960 gino vannelli today 68 years old 372 00:18:35,430 --> 00:18:32,160 another canadian export right there 373 00:18:36,470 --> 00:18:35,440 gino venelli there you go our dead guy's 374 00:18:41,830 --> 00:18:36,480 birthday today is 375 00:18:42,950 --> 00:18:41,840 tupac tupac shakur 1971-1996 died at the 376 00:18:44,710 --> 00:18:42,960 age of 25 377 00:18:46,310 --> 00:18:44,720 one of the most influential rappers in 378 00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:46,320 history and one of the most successful 379 00:18:51,590 --> 00:18:48,080 artists of all time 380 00:18:53,110 --> 00:18:51,600 tupac released four albums between 1991 381 00:18:56,310 --> 00:18:53,120 and 1996 382 00:18:59,270 --> 00:18:56,320 eventually selling over 75 million 383 00:19:01,270 --> 00:18:59,280 albums worldwide shakur was shot four 384 00:19:03,750 --> 00:19:01,280 times by an unknown assailant in a 385 00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:03,760 drive-by shooting in las vegas 386 00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:07,600 he just left uh a mike tyson fight 387 00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:09,760 ended up dying six days later and the 388 00:19:13,270 --> 00:19:10,640 gunman 389 00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:13,280 was never captured on this day in 390 00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:13,919 history 391 00:19:23,110 --> 00:19:20,000 otd 1963 cosmonaut valentina tereshkova 392 00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:23,120 becomes the first woman in space after 393 00:19:29,909 --> 00:19:26,880 48 orbits and 71 hours around the globe 394 00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:29,919 she returned to earth then 20 395 00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:32,960 years later two decades dr 396 00:19:36,070 --> 00:19:35,520 sally ride became the first american 397 00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:36,080 woman 398 00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:38,880 in space here's your fader fact for the 399 00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:45,190 in december 2014 a guy 400 00:19:50,950 --> 00:19:49,360 dressed as santa robbed a bank in san 401 00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:50,960 francisco 402 00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:55,200 the robbery took place during santa con 403 00:19:59,830 --> 00:19:57,760 an annual event in which hundreds of 404 00:20:02,870 --> 00:19:59,840 people dressed as santa swarm 405 00:20:06,070 --> 00:20:02,880 union square he was never 406 00:20:08,789 --> 00:20:06,080 caught but a year later 407 00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:08,799 a man dressed as spock robbed a bank 408 00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:12,080 next door to a star trek convention 409 00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:15,120 ah i made that part up tonight 410 00:20:18,789 --> 00:20:17,360 we have very special guest walter 411 00:20:22,630 --> 00:20:18,799 cruttenden is here 412 00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:22,640 my favorite subject our universe 413 00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:24,559 tomorrow night it is dean rayden with a 414 00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:26,640 conversation about our mind brain and 415 00:20:29,909 --> 00:20:27,600 consciousness 416 00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:29,919 and of course this thursday night is 417 00:20:35,669 --> 00:20:32,480 another fader night with open lines 418 00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:35,679 all night long now i need to hit this 419 00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:37,120 river moon coffee 420 00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:38,880 i want to carry on my little 421 00:20:48,549 --> 00:20:46,230 a little more detail because tonight our 422 00:20:51,029 --> 00:20:48,559 guest is walter cruttenden 423 00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:51,039 someone who has studied the stars for a 424 00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:53,120 very long time 425 00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:54,480 he has looked to the heavens and 426 00:20:59,350 --> 00:20:56,480 wondered about its significance with us 427 00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:59,360 here in our solar neighborhood binary 428 00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:00,400 star systems 429 00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:03,120 the precession of the equinox hidden 430 00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:03,840 planets 431 00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:08,159 astronomy cosmology 432 00:21:14,830 --> 00:21:11,520 this is walter cruttenden 433 00:21:18,270 --> 00:21:14,840 now we know now 434 00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:18,280 today that our milky way consists of 435 00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:22,559 500 billion stars and 1 trillion planets 436 00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:26,240 and our galaxy is one of 500 billion 437 00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:30,080 in our universe all of this 438 00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:33,760 from us looking out to the stars 439 00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:37,120 like walter we understand this from 440 00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:40,880 our tiny little place in all that there 441 00:21:45,630 --> 00:21:45,360 is yesterday a study was published in 442 00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:45,640 the 443 00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:48,400 astrophysical journal where scientists 444 00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:49,760 have calculated 445 00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:53,520 that there could be a minimum of 36 446 00:21:56,789 --> 00:21:55,679 active communicating intelligent 447 00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:56,799 civilizations 448 00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:00,000 in our milky way galaxy what is most 449 00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:03,120 important uh about this 450 00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:07,520 um and most surprising about this study 451 00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:10,960 is that there are two very specific 452 00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:15,520 points made one communicating 453 00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:20,240 and two intelligent civilizations 454 00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:23,120 the number 36 is very strange as well 455 00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:23,840 because 456 00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:27,840 first it is defined 457 00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:31,520 and second it is rather small 458 00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:34,000 with one trillion planets in our galaxy 459 00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:35,840 you would assume that the number would 460 00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:36,320 be 461 00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:39,200 in the tens of thousands so we have to 462 00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:42,640 ask ourselves the obvious question 463 00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:45,919 what is it that they know that we 464 00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:49,440 do not the study also takes into 465 00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:50,640 consideration 466 00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:53,280 that et's communication would be at the 467 00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:54,480 speed of light 468 00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:57,200 and that due to time and distance we may 469 00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:57,679 never 470 00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:00,720 actually know if they are out there 471 00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:03,039 that our earth will need to hang out for 472 00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:04,320 another six thousand 473 00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:06,320 one hundred and twenty years before we 474 00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:09,120 can have a real two-way 475 00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:12,400 communication with et the scientists 476 00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:14,000 also realized 477 00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:17,280 that a second set of numbers using 478 00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:21,039 more relaxed math stating that there 479 00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:22,000 could be a minimum 480 00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:25,520 of 928 civilizations communicating in 481 00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:26,400 our galaxy 482 00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:28,960 right now and that direct conversations 483 00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:30,159 with et 484 00:23:35,789 --> 00:23:33,919 would happen in about 700 years 485 00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:35,799 the scientists created the 486 00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:36,960 astrobiological 487 00:23:44,230 --> 00:23:40,000 copernican principle it's a new 488 00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:44,240 fresh version of the drake equation 489 00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:46,799 this new math includes the history of 490 00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:48,320 star formation 491 00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:51,039 the ages of stars and their metal 492 00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:52,080 content 493 00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:54,159 now the drake equation was always just a 494 00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:55,279 stepping stone 495 00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:56,960 and we knew that there were too many 496 00:24:01,990 --> 00:23:58,720 assumptions with it that 497 00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:02,000 that made it almost useless with 498 00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:05,039 it came the fermi paradox 499 00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:09,200 you know right i'm gonna quote 500 00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:12,000 i'm gonna quote i paraphrase we know 501 00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:13,360 that there are countless advanced 502 00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:14,960 civilizations out there 503 00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:18,240 but where are they and why haven't they 504 00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:19,679 visited us 505 00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:23,200 yet end quote now if an advanced 506 00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:25,520 civilization is traveling to the stars 507 00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:28,240 we must assume as fact due to the 508 00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:30,640 vastness of space and the ginormous 509 00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:32,480 numbers involved 510 00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,640 then they are not communicating at the 511 00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:36,480 speed of light 512 00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:39,679 they are communicating at the speed 513 00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:44,559 of now we are we are not at the point 514 00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:46,720 of understanding their technology we're 515 00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:48,080 not even close 516 00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:51,120 but we are at the point of knowing there 517 00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:53,039 is something else going on 518 00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:56,240 and soon soon we will be chatting on 519 00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:57,919 walkie-talkies with our e.t 520 00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:01,679 brothers and sisters we're close 521 00:25:07,029 --> 00:25:04,159 we just need the challenge there's 522 00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:07,039 another way to look at all of this 523 00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:09,679 because first off it's huge breaking 524 00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:10,720 news 525 00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:13,760 36 civilizations out there in our milky 526 00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:14,640 way 527 00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:19,600 communicating right well 528 00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:23,279 it's that how do i say this 529 00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:25,120 it's that maybe communication has been 530 00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:28,080 established already 531 00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:30,400 think about that and the only way to 532 00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:31,200 start 533 00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:34,400 this conversation is leak this 534 00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:36,720 information by dropping these numbers 535 00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:40,840 on us through an official scientific 536 00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:42,159 journal 537 00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:45,360 that's right because they can't 538 00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:48,720 say that we have the tech 539 00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:51,600 now because it would open the door to 540 00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:53,120 other questions that would have to be 541 00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:53,919 answered 542 00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:56,799 such as how long have you known this 543 00:26:03,029 --> 00:25:57,760 dude 544 00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:06,269 now i realize that this is a true 545 00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:08,880 catch-22 circular argument that just 546 00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:11,120 goes on and on without resolve 547 00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:14,159 that's what we do in the ufo community 548 00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:16,640 it's what we are left with the 549 00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:17,919 mainstream media 550 00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:20,799 has dropped one ufo alien e.t or 551 00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:21,840 exoplanet 552 00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:23,919 story after another for almost three 553 00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:25,679 years with no end in sight 554 00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:28,320 and we have to ask ourselves what is the 555 00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:29,600 plan here 556 00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:33,120 what's the end game there is no question 557 00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:35,200 that ttsa and tom delong have helped 558 00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:37,120 push the ufo question out into the 559 00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:39,679 public and their list of big names tied 560 00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:41,520 to them directly was part of their 561 00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:42,480 success 562 00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:45,840 the pentagon louis elizondo chris mellon 563 00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:47,600 the cia hal put off 564 00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:50,880 and dr eric davis all 565 00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:53,919 quoted touted and thrust upon the public 566 00:27:02,230 --> 00:26:57,840 exciting days right well 567 00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:02,240 not so fast dr eric davis received his 568 00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:04,960 phd in astrophysics at the university of 569 00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,000 arizona in 1991 570 00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:10,799 eric is currently employed as a senior 571 00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:11,919 research physicist 572 00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:14,000 at the institute for advanced studies in 573 00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:15,360 austin texas 574 00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:18,399 he is also the ceo chief scientist 575 00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:21,760 of warp drive metrics and has provided 576 00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:23,520 contract services to the air force 577 00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,799 research laboratory 578 00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:26,880 the department of defense the department 579 00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:27,840 of energy 580 00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:30,399 and the nasa institute for advanced 581 00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:31,520 concepts 582 00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:33,760 he was also a technical contributor and 583 00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:34,799 consultant 584 00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:37,520 to the nasa breakthrough propulsion 585 00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:38,159 physics 586 00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:41,760 program dr davis 587 00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:45,360 seems very impressive he is also tied 588 00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:47,440 directly to ttsa 589 00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:49,840 and bob bigelow and his name is thrown 590 00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:52,080 around a lot when it comes to ufo zt and 591 00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:53,600 disclosure 592 00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:56,880 dr eric davis last year 593 00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:58,960 i was sent a document that was written 594 00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:00,399 by dr davis 595 00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:03,919 that i gave the name the wilson 596 00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:06,159 15 pages that was centered around a 597 00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:08,000 conversation in the back of a car in las 598 00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:08,799 vegas 599 00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,520 behind the e g and g building between 600 00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:13,679 former defense intelligence agency 601 00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:14,320 director 602 00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:17,520 admiral thomas wilson and 603 00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:20,960 dr eric davis i immediately called dr 604 00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:22,880 steven greer i called richard dolan i 605 00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:24,559 called grant cameron and i 606 00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:27,279 called a host of other researchers and i 607 00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:28,000 reviewed 608 00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:31,279 each page with them we also hosted a 609 00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:33,120 string of shows covering the document 610 00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:34,720 and the statements made by dr 611 00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:37,760 eric davis later that same week dr 612 00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:40,640 greer joined me on coast to coast am to 613 00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:43,440 to discuss everything in detail 614 00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:46,480 there is no question that the 15 pages 615 00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:46,799 are 616 00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:50,799 real it's a real document it was written 617 00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:54,080 by dr eric davis and came from astronaut 618 00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:57,520 edgar miss mitchell's personal archives 619 00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:01,360 yesterday on june 15 2020 620 00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:05,360 in the blog devoid admiral wilson 621 00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:08,640 said that dr eric davis made it all up 622 00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:11,679 that he wilson was not in vegas at the 623 00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:12,000 time 624 00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:15,039 and he was not in the navy now he was 625 00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:16,080 retired 626 00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:18,000 and could not have been escorted by 627 00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:20,320 three navy officers in uniform as stated 628 00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:20,960 by dr 629 00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,760 eric davis he went further to state that 630 00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:25,200 although he may have 631 00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,159 met dr davis once in passing he wouldn't 632 00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:30,799 know who he is if he saw him in person 633 00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:32,880 and that he didn't sit in the back of a 634 00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:35,440 car for an hour discussing ufo secrets 635 00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:36,480 with him 636 00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:39,520 admiral wilson did say that he met with 637 00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:40,000 edgar 638 00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:43,600 mitchell and dr greer at the pentagon 639 00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:46,880 ah here we go again with that catch-22 640 00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:49,360 circular argument what parts of the 641 00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:50,320 wilson 642 00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:54,159 are true well we don't know why would dr 643 00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:56,559 eric davis fabricate a meeting with the 644 00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:57,760 admiral 645 00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:01,440 don't know what we do know 646 00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:03,520 is that dr davis is not telling the 647 00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:05,679 truth to the people 648 00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:09,760 that he sent his memo to 649 00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:13,200 and he sent it to very important people 650 00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:16,080 i'm left with the feeling that ttsa and 651 00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,520 the group around them 652 00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:19,919 is not who we think they are i know that 653 00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:21,760 there will be responses to admiral 654 00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:24,000 wilson that will be about not trusting 655 00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:25,520 him he's with the man 656 00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:27,919 and so forth that this is just another 657 00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:29,919 smoke screen put out there to throw us 658 00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:31,039 off the trail 659 00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:33,279 but it goes much deeper than that 660 00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:34,320 everything 661 00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:41,760 that ttsa has released said and done 662 00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:45,360 has had issues with it nothing 663 00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:48,399 has been clean the wilson dock 664 00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:51,679 written by dr eric davis is another 665 00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:53,440 example of the crap that we 666 00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:56,240 both as a ufo community and the public 667 00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:57,519 have to sort out 668 00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:59,679 we have to sift through and try to 669 00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:01,519 figure out what is real 670 00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:05,200 and what is not for me 671 00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:07,039 after all of the excitement surrounding 672 00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:08,559 the release of wilson 673 00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:12,000 and its memo i find that now i have to 674 00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:14,000 pull it all back in 675 00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:17,440 once again and start over i have to 676 00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,000 scratch 677 00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:20,880 dr eric davis off the list of a credible 678 00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:21,600 source 679 00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:24,559 and it's sad really i'll just continue 680 00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:26,240 to study the real stuff 681 00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:28,960 our universe the stars the milky way and 682 00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:31,120 the trillion planets that are above my 683 00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:32,000 head each night 684 00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:34,960 when i stare out into the universe and 685 00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:35,840 of course 686 00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:38,399 the 36 communicating intelligent 687 00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:39,679 civilizations 688 00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:42,799 that are reaching out to us right now 689 00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:44,799 tonight as i start another show here on 690 00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:47,279 fade to black i'll look at the tiny 691 00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:49,840 grain of sand on the tip of my finger 692 00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:52,159 knowing that we're just one of a 693 00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:54,880 multitude of intelligent species 694 00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:58,320 in our universe tonight walter 695 00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:00,080 cruttenden is here 696 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791 00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:41,520 tonight our guest is walter and we are 792 00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:42,640 going to discuss 793 00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:44,880 uh the latest research into our universe 794 00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:46,960 the milky way star systems frb's 795 00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,040 exoplanets physics 796 00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:51,520 we're going to get some philosophy into 797 00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:52,560 i promise 798 00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:54,560 walter is the director of the binary 799 00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:56,000 research institute 800 00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:58,400 an archaeoastronomy think tank right 801 00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:59,760 here in california 802 00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:01,200 he's the author of the book the lost 803 00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:02,960 year of myth and 804 00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:05,119 time and the award-winning documentary 805 00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:07,359 the great year narrated by 806 00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,920 james earl jones cruttenden's work 807 00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:11,760 focuses on the astronomy of ancient 808 00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:13,280 cultures throughout the world 809 00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:15,680 and their shared belief in vast cycles 810 00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:18,160 of time with alternating dark and golden 811 00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:21,040 ages all of his websites and all of his 812 00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:23,040 links are over at jimmychurchradio.com 813 00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:24,720 and i would like to welcome back 814 00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:26,960 to fade to black the one and only walter 815 00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,960 cruttenden walter good evening my man 816 00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:30,720 how you doing 817 00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:32,960 hey good jimmy how about you i'm 818 00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:33,839 fantastic 819 00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:36,320 trying to get through uh trying to get 820 00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:37,359 through this 821 00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:39,760 fresh new world that we are dealing with 822 00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:42,960 how are you in the family 823 00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:45,119 well we've probably spent more family 824 00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:47,599 time together the last three months and 825 00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:50,240 you know since the kids were little 15 826 00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:51,680 years ago 827 00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:55,040 but i've i've really uh you know 828 00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:58,079 learned a lot and actually i think 829 00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:59,520 there's a good silver lining i've 830 00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:00,480 enjoyed it 831 00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:03,119 yeah you find out you know like maybe 832 00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:10,390 well i'm going through this you know and 833 00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:11,440 you know what's funny 834 00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:14,560 uh you know it's an uncomfortable laugh 835 00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:16,480 uh from the both of us 836 00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:18,240 the whole the whole planet's going 837 00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:19,920 through what you and i are talking about 838 00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:20,880 right now 839 00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:23,200 and and maybe just maybe there's a 840 00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:24,560 silver lining here 841 00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:26,000 you know that will come out on the other 842 00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:27,839 side uh knowing 843 00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:29,520 our loved ones and our friends and 844 00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:32,400 family uh better than before 845 00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:34,960 and and we can figure out a path forward 846 00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:35,920 but uh 847 00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:37,680 there is there's light at the end of the 848 00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:41,359 tunnel i i truly believe that 849 00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:43,920 i'm i'm with you jimmy it's things 850 00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:45,280 happen for a reason and 851 00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:47,280 you know we don't understand all the 852 00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:48,880 reasons sometimes we'll never even know 853 00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,240 all the reasons but 854 00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:52,800 you got to think that uh the universe is 855 00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:54,560 pretty amazing and there's got to be a 856 00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:56,480 little bit of design and purpose behind 857 00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:57,040 it 858 00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:59,520 we have we have so much to talk about 859 00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:00,079 tonight 860 00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:02,640 and um we're going to be discussing the 861 00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:04,240 universe in so many uh different 862 00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:06,560 subjects but we're also 863 00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:10,800 uh later on in the broadcast some new 864 00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:13,760 uh chit chat popped out on the internet 865 00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:14,000 this 866 00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:15,760 week about the mayan calendar and the 867 00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:17,359 great year and 868 00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:19,599 and the re-dating of things and i found 869 00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:21,599 that pretty interesting and how strange 870 00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:22,160 that 871 00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:23,359 you and i we're going to have this 872 00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:25,520 conversation tonight so it'll be cool to 873 00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:26,720 also visit 874 00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:28,960 some of your other research and and get 875 00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:30,560 into that but i want to start 876 00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:34,160 here um i 877 00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:37,760 i began my journey into physics and 878 00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:39,839 cosmology and astronomy 879 00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:43,200 uh about 30 years ago around 1990 880 00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:46,720 and looking back it's been three decades 881 00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:51,040 but looking back at how the numbers 882 00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:53,200 have changed and how the facts and the 883 00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:55,119 data and what we understand 884 00:40:01,589 --> 00:39:58,320 have changed in in 25 885 00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:01,599 short years it's been a juggernaut 886 00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:04,800 right the information because in 1995 887 00:40:08,829 --> 00:40:07,200 there was still just our solar system 888 00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:08,839 and we hadn't discovered an 889 00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:12,640 exoplanet right that's 890 00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:15,839 you know and you we think about that 891 00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:19,040 and where we are today when did you 892 00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:19,680 start 893 00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:26,150 you know i was always interested as a 894 00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:27,520 little boy 895 00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:30,319 uh in astronomy but i just figured that 896 00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:32,720 was kind of normal you know 897 00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:36,079 but i really did read everything i could 898 00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,720 on it and of course you're right things 899 00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:40,480 have changed dramatically in the last 900 00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:41,680 couple of decades 901 00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:45,040 and you know that parallels the uh 902 00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:48,319 the breakthroughs in computing and 903 00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:51,760 um you know the internet and just 904 00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:54,240 we can use effectively the whole earth 905 00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:56,560 as a telescope now you know by 906 00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:59,040 having different uh vlb eye sights all 907 00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:00,400 around it so 908 00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:03,680 it's um it's amazing to read what's 909 00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:04,640 going on 910 00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:07,119 and you're right on the exoplanets 911 00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:08,640 because that's been 912 00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:11,680 a particular interest of mine um you 913 00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:13,280 know one of the early ones found 914 00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:17,200 coincidentally was uh we nicknamed biden 915 00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:21,200 biden because it was vp 916 00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:25,599 2012 i believe is the code for it 917 00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:28,960 and since biden was the vp in 918 00:41:36,069 --> 00:41:33,040 2012 that's the nickname for it and 919 00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:36,079 isn't it funny that he's so much uh in 920 00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:37,839 the press right now 921 00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:39,680 and we're finding of course more and 922 00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:41,200 more of these 923 00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:44,960 uh exoplanets and 924 00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:46,560 it's the pattern that they fall in 925 00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:48,160 that's really 926 00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:50,400 spawned my work that i wrote about in 927 00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:52,079 lost dartmouth and time and the great 928 00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:53,040 year 929 00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:57,280 film and it's the pattern that's led 930 00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:00,480 uh you know the guys at caltech 931 00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:03,760 to to really come up with this idea that 932 00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:05,599 there's got to be something that creates 933 00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:06,960 that pattern 934 00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:10,240 um so as you know well they're looking 935 00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:10,640 for 936 00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:13,760 a very massive object out there to put 937 00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:15,040 these things 938 00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:16,800 in the places where they are you know 939 00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:19,200 sort of uh 940 00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:20,720 they're inclined to the plane of the 941 00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:22,640 solar system they're 942 00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:25,200 uh they all have the perihelions they're 943 00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:27,920 perihelions on one side of the sun 944 00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:30,640 and it's just far far too much to be a 945 00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:32,160 coincidence 946 00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:34,480 and so this huge search is going on to 947 00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:35,680 look for what could be 948 00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:38,640 tugging them uh but they haven't found 949 00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:40,640 anything yet so 950 00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:43,920 um that's that's a lot of research that 951 00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:45,920 i'm reading right now yeah and 952 00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:49,040 one of the things that i have 953 00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:52,000 uh absolutely we all have by the way i'm 954 00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:52,319 not 955 00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:55,920 play uh pay 956 00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:59,200 close attention uh to 957 00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:01,440 what astrophysicists and cosmologists 958 00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:03,680 and astronomers are saying 959 00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:05,280 because they are making discoveries 960 00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:07,280 every single day and if you stay on top 961 00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:08,240 of it 962 00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:11,599 the ratcheting up of numbers 963 00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:14,079 and it's all across the board the 964 00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:16,160 ratcheting up of numbers not only 965 00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:19,359 uh do we have to wrap our mind around 966 00:43:25,829 --> 00:43:22,400 that if you look up at the sky 967 00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:25,839 potentially every single star that you 968 00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:26,800 see 969 00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:30,319 has a planet every one right maybe two 970 00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:31,280 maybe three 971 00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:34,319 maybe four and we 972 00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:36,640 we always wondered about that that's one 973 00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:37,839 number that is 974 00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:39,440 it's gone through the roof to have a 975 00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:41,920 trillion planets in the milky way 976 00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:45,119 it's a it's a ginormous number but all 977 00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:47,280 the other numbers have ratcheted up too 978 00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:49,040 the size of the universe the amount of 979 00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:50,240 galaxies 980 00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:52,640 the expansion of the universe the speed 981 00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:54,319 of the expansion 982 00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,200 everything the numbers now are 983 00:44:02,550 --> 00:43:59,440 completely out of control 984 00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:02,560 and some say now today walter as you're 985 00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:03,440 aware of 986 00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:05,440 that some of these numbers are actually 987 00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:07,200 infinite 988 00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:09,520 right it's like wait a minute i thought 989 00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:10,480 we had a 990 00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:14,079 grasp on this infinite is a freaking big 991 00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:16,800 number isn't it 992 00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:18,720 it absolutely is and of course that's 993 00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:20,160 been a debate for 994 00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:23,280 uh hundreds of years you know what 995 00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:26,880 is the universe is it a steady state 996 00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:30,960 as uh you know newton and einstein 997 00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:34,079 believed and 998 00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:36,640 and if it's a steady state it's kind of 999 00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:37,680 easier to 1000 00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:41,760 to buy the infinite uh theory 1001 00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:45,119 but if it's expanding and 1002 00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:48,560 you know for the last 13.7 billion 1003 00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:55,910 then it has to have a beginning 1004 00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:58,240 and you can kind of go backwards and you 1005 00:45:01,430 --> 00:45:00,240 know the farther we look out in space of 1006 00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:01,440 course 1007 00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:04,560 the earlier we can view the the early 1008 00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:07,920 universe and 1009 00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:11,040 yeah it might expand out to infinity but 1010 00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:13,280 there's uh there's arguments about that 1011 00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:15,440 too you know 1012 00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:18,800 will it do that or will it um 1013 00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:21,760 effectively will gravity take over and 1014 00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:22,240 and 1015 00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:25,280 will it will it implode again on itself 1016 00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:26,960 someday so 1017 00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:28,720 well i don't know that we'll ever know 1018 00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:30,720 the answer to these questions 1019 00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:32,319 but they're fun to think about it and 1020 00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:34,160 you're absolutely right uh 1021 00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:37,040 they just keep upping the stakes in a 1022 00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:38,160 lot of these things 1023 00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,560 on the planets themselves you mentioned 1024 00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:42,240 uh you know 1025 00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:44,319 how many years ago four or five hundred 1026 00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:45,359 years ago 1027 00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:48,640 bruno was burned at the stake for saying 1028 00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:50,560 there were any planets or any beans out 1029 00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:51,359 there 1030 00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:53,680 and now we you know we're pretty widely 1031 00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:54,640 accepted 1032 00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:58,000 that the universe is uh you know just 1033 00:46:01,109 --> 00:46:00,160 our solar system is teaming with other 1034 00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:01,119 planets 1035 00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:04,319 and probably life too although 1036 00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:07,040 mainstream hasn't quite made that second 1037 00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:08,000 leap yet 1038 00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:11,040 right right and the 1039 00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:14,319 uh if we go back uh 1040 00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:17,520 let's let's let's you keep i like where 1041 00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:18,960 you're going you know four or five 1042 00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:20,480 hundred years ago 1043 00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:24,319 um if we go back that far 1044 00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:27,520 the the thinkers 1045 00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:30,800 let's just qualify them like the 1046 00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:31,760 thinkers 1047 00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:33,359 that were looking up and trying to 1048 00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:34,800 figure out uh you know 1049 00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:36,800 actually what was going on was it just 1050 00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:38,960 one layer of stars 1051 00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:42,319 uh what were stars they 1052 00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:45,599 they weren't going beyond that um 1053 00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:49,040 there was uh a big event in 1572 1054 00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:52,400 which uh they called the phenomenon 1055 00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:55,520 which was an 1056 00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:58,880 exploding star in the sky but at that 1057 00:47:02,230 --> 00:46:59,599 time 1058 00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:02,240 the star just appeared and was visible 1059 00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:03,040 brightly 1060 00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:05,359 uh at night and also visible during the 1061 00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:06,079 day 1062 00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:07,280 some thought it was the star of 1063 00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:09,200 bethlehem right that was coming back and 1064 00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:10,560 this is maybe a big 1065 00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:13,920 religious event maybe uh jesus is back 1066 00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,000 you know whatever it may be 1067 00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:18,480 but uh they were trying to figure that 1068 00:47:23,829 --> 00:47:19,280 out 1069 00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:23,839 john d um and a couple of other 1070 00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:27,599 thinkers saw it move and then it faded 1071 00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:28,079 away 1072 00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:31,280 they watched its motion and that's 1073 00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:34,559 where the thought started 1074 00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:37,680 about maybe there's something out there 1075 00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:39,280 beyond the stars 1076 00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:41,839 that the stars are actually moving and 1077 00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:44,240 there's something beyond this layer that 1078 00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:46,480 we can see with our eyes 1079 00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:49,680 if we stop and think about that that's 1080 00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:54,480 philosophy and physics and astronomy 1081 00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:57,359 working together where today we're not 1082 00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:04,549 well not at all i i think you know 1083 00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:07,839 see the fundamental interpretation 1084 00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:10,960 of of the bible and and religion 1085 00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:14,400 at that time you know 500 years ago 1086 00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:17,920 um was so so fierce that 1087 00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:21,040 you know only the earth existed and the 1088 00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:22,640 only beings were 1089 00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:26,240 uh here on earth that you know even when 1090 00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:27,280 copernicus 1091 00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:30,559 uh published de revolute onibus he had 1092 00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:30,960 to 1093 00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:34,720 put in this sort of precursor letter 1094 00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:38,000 uh upon sending it to the pope that uh 1095 00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:41,040 you know this is this is an idea it's 1096 00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:42,880 worthy of some merit 1097 00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:45,839 but he was very very deferential and as 1098 00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:47,440 evidenced by the fact he only published 1099 00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:49,440 it on his on his deathbed 1100 00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:52,640 so they couldn't get at him if he 1101 00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:55,200 if they thought he was a heretic anyway 1102 00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:57,520 but yeah we've gone from 1103 00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:01,359 from that point in time 1104 00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:04,400 to the present and it's just like 1105 00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:07,440 everything's changed all the the 1106 00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:09,520 paradigms have changed and 1107 00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:11,200 and many have come along and changed 1108 00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:13,359 since then i not to change the subject 1109 00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:14,480 too much but 1110 00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,720 you know you read about different world 1111 00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:18,240 views 1112 00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:22,079 um and of course the marxist view came 1113 00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:23,200 along 1114 00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:26,000 uh you know early in the last century 1115 00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:26,559 and 1116 00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:28,720 of course mankind's always been looking 1117 00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:30,480 for a utopia and thought oh well that's 1118 00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,000 a good idea let's 1119 00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:35,040 follow karl marx and of course the 1120 00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,200 the way it was implemented it never ever 1121 00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:39,119 worked and a lot of people died i think 1122 00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:42,400 150 million in the process 1123 00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:45,440 so oops that that world view didn't work 1124 00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:47,920 and now there's uh there's quite a 1125 00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:48,480 debate 1126 00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:51,599 about uh you know sort of the 1127 00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:55,599 darwinian worldview versus 1128 00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:00,160 uh religious or more of a design 1129 00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:02,640 worldview and and even the biologists i 1130 00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:03,599 don't know if you 1131 00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,920 uh if you've had guests on there talking 1132 00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:07,680 about this but 1133 00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:10,400 they're questioning um you know some of 1134 00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:12,240 the doubts that darwin himself 1135 00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:16,400 penciled in and 1136 00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:19,280 and it looks like you know we're gonna 1137 00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:20,800 we might have 1138 00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:22,400 there's some very serious scientists 1139 00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:24,960 that are looking for 1140 00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:28,160 an alternative way to explain you know 1141 00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:28,400 the 1142 00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:32,319 cambrian period and that sort of thing 1143 00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:32,960 so 1144 00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:36,400 planet here yeah yeah 1145 00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:39,440 let's expand on that um and 1146 00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:41,680 one of the reasons why and there's a 1147 00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:43,359 multitude of reasons 1148 00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:45,359 but one of the reasons why that needs to 1149 00:50:51,150 --> 00:50:47,760 be discussed and to come into play 1150 00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:51,160 is that if we are aging our universe at 1151 00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:54,480 13.7 13.8 billion years 1152 00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:57,599 and our earth and sun you know 1153 00:51:01,990 --> 00:50:59,920 rocking right now at about five billion 1154 00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:02,000 years you know thereabouts let's 1155 00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:04,880 loosely use these numbers but these 1156 00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:05,839 these are what are 1157 00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:08,880 mentioned so often well our earth 1158 00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:12,480 is uh almost half the age of the 1159 00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:13,599 universe 1160 00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:16,400 and we know uh you know or a third you 1161 00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:16,640 know 1162 00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:20,079 roughly right um and and 1163 00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:22,720 if we go off the darwinian scale of 1164 00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:24,160 things 1165 00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:27,520 it takes life uh approximately from the 1166 00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:29,839 start and the birth of a planet 1167 00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:33,200 about five billion years to have radio 1168 00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:34,880 telescopes 1169 00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:36,880 right right that's that's it that's 1170 00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:38,960 that's that's the hard and the short of 1171 00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:40,000 it isn't it 1172 00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:43,280 well if we look at that the math doesn't 1173 00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:46,960 work then for the way darwin has 1174 00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:47,920 presented it 1175 00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:49,680 not the way that we understand we are 1176 00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:52,240 here now right is that the conflict that 1177 00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,710 well i i think the the main conflict in 1178 00:52:01,349 --> 00:52:00,240 the literature right now seems to be a 1179 00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:01,359 little bit 1180 00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:05,040 uh more fundamental and that is that 1181 00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:07,200 um you know darwin was a brilliant guy 1182 00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:08,160 for sure 1183 00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:11,520 and he he did come up with this 1184 00:52:15,990 --> 00:52:14,319 that this idea of adaption of the 1185 00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:16,000 species 1186 00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:18,800 and they and there's no question that 1187 00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:20,880 you know animals grow thicker fur when 1188 00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:22,319 they're in cold climates for long 1189 00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:24,559 periods of times birds beaks will 1190 00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:27,200 elongate uh from generation to 1191 00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:28,640 generation to get 1192 00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:31,280 uh you know food that's hard to get at 1193 00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:32,000 and things like 1194 00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:35,359 this and but but he then sort of jumped 1195 00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:36,319 to 1196 00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:39,760 uh and through that process you can make 1197 00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:43,200 a whole new species and 1198 00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:45,359 and this is where the biologists now 1199 00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:47,359 have been thinking about it and a lot of 1200 00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:48,800 evidence has come in 1201 00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:51,359 since including the whole idea of of a 1202 00:52:55,510 --> 00:52:52,559 genome and a 1203 00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:55,520 you know uh and dna and that there's 1204 00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:56,319 actually 1205 00:53:02,150 --> 00:52:59,440 any change that comes along to create an 1206 00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:02,160 animal has to first be in the code 1207 00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:06,160 and so many biologists 1208 00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:09,839 question if you can uh make that many 1209 00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:11,440 changes if you have enough time 1210 00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:15,280 to create whole new species and 1211 00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:17,119 during the pre-cambrian period of course 1212 00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:19,119 you had a whole bunch of 1213 00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:22,880 species come onto the scene 1214 00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:24,400 and some of these were discovered in 1215 00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:26,319 darwin's time although not a 1216 00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:28,400 not even a fraction of what we know now 1217 00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:30,160 and darwin always figured that 1218 00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:33,440 well the in time we'll we'll find more 1219 00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:35,599 fossils the fossil record will 1220 00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:39,119 show that these two slowly 1221 00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:41,920 adapted into the species they are you 1222 00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:42,640 know 1223 00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:44,720 so he left open this idea that you had 1224 00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:47,119 to find all these missing links 1225 00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:50,160 and not only haven't we found 1226 00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:52,640 missing links for that whole period but 1227 00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:53,920 we're 1228 00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:56,800 we found more species and we've realized 1229 00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:57,920 you know 1230 00:54:01,750 --> 00:54:01,359 that that that species can't form unless 1231 00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:01,760 they 1232 00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:03,680 first sort of first have the digital 1233 00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:05,680 code and that takes 1234 00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:08,319 just eons of time to do right and so 1235 00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:09,280 this is why the 1236 00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:11,200 sort of the two groups that are 1237 00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:13,440 questioning it um 1238 00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:15,680 and that doesn't mean they're embracing 1239 00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:16,559 god or 1240 00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:18,880 intelligent design or something but they 1241 00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:20,480 are just saying 1242 00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:23,680 these problems are unresolved and so we 1243 00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:25,680 we need something else besides what 1244 00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:27,760 darwin gave us 1245 00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:29,280 and it's the mathematicians and the 1246 00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:30,880 biologists right now yeah 1247 00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:35,680 and these concepts all of them 1248 00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:37,920 not only apply to us because we live 1249 00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:38,880 here 1250 00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:40,960 but they certainly must apply to the 1251 00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:42,559 rest of the universe 1252 00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:46,000 chemistry is chemistry right 1253 00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:49,040 time is time planets or planets 1254 00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:51,440 these anything that we would discuss 1255 00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:53,599 here 1256 00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:55,599 it's the same chemistry in different 1257 00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:57,440 star systems not only throughout the 1258 00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:58,480 milky way 1259 00:55:02,230 --> 00:55:00,319 but throughout the rest of the universe 1260 00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:02,240 unless the laws of physics 1261 00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:05,040 are different uh you know star system to 1262 00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:06,000 star system 1263 00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:09,839 and i don't think that that is the case 1264 00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:12,079 yeah of course we don't know but you can 1265 00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:13,760 imagine that 1266 00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:17,119 the big physics laws are 1267 00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:19,440 inherent elsewhere in the universe and 1268 00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:20,640 of course when we 1269 00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:24,000 look at very distant star systems we 1270 00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:27,280 we use them and you know uh like gravity 1271 00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:28,640 we think is 1272 00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:31,280 is is pretty applicable no matter where 1273 00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:32,240 you look 1274 00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:35,359 uh but chemical reactions i i don't know 1275 00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:37,359 there's probably a lot that we 1276 00:55:42,870 --> 00:55:40,480 uh haven't discovered yet just 1277 00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:42,880 you know and that that could be very 1278 00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,240 different on 1279 00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:46,400 on methane planets and completely 1280 00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:47,440 different planets 1281 00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:50,400 even our definition of life you know uh 1282 00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:51,599 we tend to think of 1283 00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:54,960 you know a warm-blooded 1284 00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:57,280 creature like us or some other lower 1285 00:56:01,589 --> 00:55:58,000 form of life 1286 00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:01,599 might be cold-blooded but it has 1287 00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:04,240 certain qualifications and we would 1288 00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:06,240 never think that it could live 1289 00:56:13,270 --> 00:56:09,760 in a uh you know in a hazardous 1290 00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:13,280 hospital right exactly but that's 1291 00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:14,720 that's what they found of course at the 1292 00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:16,720 bottom of the ocean and so 1293 00:56:21,190 --> 00:56:19,760 um swedenborg emmanuel swedenborg 1294 00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:21,200 actually talked about this 1295 00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:22,960 you know going back several hundred 1296 00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:25,119 years uh 1297 00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:27,280 and he was just speculating at the time 1298 00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:29,040 but wrote beautifully on it that 1299 00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:30,559 you know there's probably a lot of other 1300 00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:33,440 planets and there's many other beans 1301 00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:37,359 and he was sort of a spiritual guy and 1302 00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:39,520 and so he actually talked about beans on 1303 00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:41,599 the sun and every planet on earth 1304 00:56:44,789 --> 00:56:43,280 i'm sorry every planet in the solar 1305 00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:44,799 system and so 1306 00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:48,640 uh i would imagine uh 1307 00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:51,280 it sounded really far out at the time 1308 00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:52,400 and yet 1309 00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:54,400 i would imagine that the next 50 or 100 1310 00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:55,599 years will bring 1311 00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:58,640 evidence that not only are are there 1312 00:57:02,069 --> 00:57:00,240 other forms of life out there but 1313 00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:02,079 there's a lot of other forms of life 1314 00:57:05,630 --> 00:57:03,520 in different environments than we 1315 00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:05,640 currently believe when uh 1316 00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:08,400 panspermia was made 1317 00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:12,000 uh a part of our pop culture in the 60s 1318 00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:14,079 and 70s 1319 00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:16,720 it was a pretty exciting conversation 1320 00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:17,359 and 1321 00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:21,040 one that you know needs to uh constantly 1322 00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:22,799 be discussed we can't let that go 1323 00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:26,480 but a meteorite 1324 00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:30,079 hit the planet last year and the press 1325 00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:32,160 release on it was pretty extraordinary 1326 00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:34,000 walter i'm sitting there reading it they 1327 00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:37,599 found on this meteorite the two 1328 00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:41,280 fundamental sugars for rna 1329 00:57:45,030 --> 00:57:44,400 right i'm just like well there's your 1330 00:57:48,069 --> 00:57:45,040 answer 1331 00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:48,079 there it's just yeah 1332 00:57:53,589 --> 00:57:51,599 if if if we need to go there 1333 00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:53,599 and and we start to think how the 1334 00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:54,960 seeding could happen and 1335 00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:58,559 how miraculously rna and dna 1336 00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:01,440 and these complex things happen here 1337 00:58:04,630 --> 00:58:02,160 well 1338 00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:04,640 apparently there's meteorites you know 1339 00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:06,240 with the two things that you have to 1340 00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:08,640 have for the creation of rna 1341 00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:11,839 on them and and landing on planets 1342 00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:13,920 and in the right the right environment 1343 00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:16,079 like you're saying the right environment 1344 00:58:19,349 --> 00:58:18,400 magic happens uh we need to take a break 1345 00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:19,359 right here 1346 00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:21,599 our guest tonight is walter cruttenton 1347 00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:24,319 tonight we are going to be discussing 1348 00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:26,799 all of the universe all of his latest 1349 00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:28,240 research we're going to discuss the 1350 00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:29,200 milky way 1351 00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:31,359 star systems fast radio bursts 1352 00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:33,680 exoplanets physics and philosophy i am 1353 00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:35,119 your host jimmy 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01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:16,000 and you're listening to fade to black 1478 01:03:20,470 --> 01:03:18,240 with jimmy church who holds the lucky 1479 01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:20,480 pony record for the best astrological 1480 01:03:25,109 --> 01:03:20,960 chart 1481 01:03:26,789 --> 01:03:25,119 since 1963. true story 1482 01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:26,799 this is micah hanks of the ghrelian 1483 01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:28,480 report and you're listening to jimmy 1484 01:03:32,710 --> 01:03:30,799 church on fade to black across the globe 1485 01:03:33,670 --> 01:03:32,720 on the game changer radio network and 1486 01:03:45,290 --> 01:03:33,680 the one and only 1487 01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:45,300 kgra radio the planet 1488 01:03:57,750 --> 01:03:56,160 [Music] 1489 01:03:59,270 --> 01:03:57,760 welcome back fade to black i am your 1490 01:04:02,940 --> 01:03:59,280 host jimmy church tonight our guest 1491 01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:02,950 walter cruttenton we are discussing us 1492 01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:04,720 [Music] 1493 01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:08,880 the universe it's a big subject and 1494 01:04:12,069 --> 01:04:11,280 i'm gonna get right back to where we 1495 01:04:14,470 --> 01:04:12,079 left off 1496 01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:14,480 uh right before the breakwalter and 1497 01:04:19,270 --> 01:04:15,359 talking about 1498 01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:19,280 uh time constraints of mass extinction 1499 01:04:23,270 --> 01:04:22,000 events and bringing darwin into play and 1500 01:04:27,190 --> 01:04:23,280 then of course 1501 01:04:28,710 --> 01:04:27,200 uh the question of uh intelligent design 1502 01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:28,720 grand design 1503 01:04:33,029 --> 01:04:31,760 uh god religion spirituality and 1504 01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:33,039 philosophy all these 1505 01:04:39,430 --> 01:04:36,480 aspects uh have to come into play 1506 01:04:40,789 --> 01:04:39,440 but let me let me get specific on a 1507 01:04:42,789 --> 01:04:40,799 couple of things 1508 01:04:45,270 --> 01:04:42,799 uh when we talk about these mass 1509 01:04:46,390 --> 01:04:45,280 extinction events like the cretaceous 1510 01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:46,400 period 1511 01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:50,160 uh the last big big one 66 million years 1512 01:04:54,549 --> 01:04:50,720 ago 1513 01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:54,559 that's like yesterday 76 percent of all 1514 01:04:59,109 --> 01:04:55,680 species 1515 01:05:00,630 --> 01:04:59,119 were lost and when we look at the 1516 01:05:04,230 --> 01:05:00,640 complexity 1517 01:05:07,349 --> 01:05:04,240 of what dna is and 1518 01:05:09,430 --> 01:05:07,359 the amount and variety of species 1519 01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:09,440 which we keep using the word infinite i 1520 01:05:12,789 --> 01:05:10,880 don't think we'll ever know but it's 1521 01:05:16,390 --> 01:05:12,799 it's a very big number 1522 01:05:20,069 --> 01:05:16,400 that just replaced themselves 1523 01:05:23,190 --> 01:05:20,079 in 66 million years is that enough time 1524 01:05:27,349 --> 01:05:23,200 is is life too complex here 1525 01:05:32,309 --> 01:05:27,359 on this planet to be developed in pools 1526 01:05:39,430 --> 01:05:35,349 i i think it is 1527 01:05:41,589 --> 01:05:39,440 um but i don't have the 1528 01:05:44,069 --> 01:05:41,599 the answer yet and that's why i'm 1529 01:05:44,950 --> 01:05:44,079 reading so much about the topic right 1530 01:05:48,390 --> 01:05:44,960 now 1531 01:05:51,430 --> 01:05:48,400 in uh 1532 01:05:54,710 --> 01:05:51,440 these general cycles of time 1533 01:05:56,390 --> 01:05:54,720 and i i i 1534 01:05:57,910 --> 01:05:56,400 i think we've talked about the yuvas 1535 01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:57,920 before jimmy uh 1536 01:06:01,910 --> 01:06:00,240 which is sort of an interesting way to 1537 01:06:05,029 --> 01:06:01,920 frame it but 1538 01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:05,039 um there's 1539 01:06:09,029 --> 01:06:07,760 there's the ancients tied these things 1540 01:06:12,309 --> 01:06:09,039 to celestial 1541 01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:12,319 motions and to me that's that's really 1542 01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:13,119 interesting 1543 01:06:17,990 --> 01:06:15,920 um so we all know are familiar with the 1544 01:06:20,309 --> 01:06:18,000 motion of the earth it spins on its axis 1545 01:06:21,349 --> 01:06:20,319 gives us a cycle of day and night you 1546 01:06:24,309 --> 01:06:21,359 know we're 1547 01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:24,319 during the night time we're going to the 1548 01:06:29,270 --> 01:06:25,680 subconscious 1549 01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:29,280 and we hardly even think about it 1550 01:06:32,230 --> 01:06:30,640 even though it's a completely different 1551 01:06:33,349 --> 01:06:32,240 world and then of course with light 1552 01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:33,359 again we come 1553 01:06:39,190 --> 01:06:36,079 back into the conscious world and 1554 01:06:43,510 --> 01:06:41,990 the ancients tell us that there's these 1555 01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:43,520 types of changes happening 1556 01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:46,640 on a longer term basis we know you know 1557 01:06:50,069 --> 01:06:48,240 the second cycle of the earth the earth 1558 01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:50,079 goes around the sun on a slight tilt 1559 01:06:54,029 --> 01:06:51,119 causes 1560 01:06:56,150 --> 01:06:54,039 uh increasing or decreasing amounts of 1561 01:06:58,549 --> 01:06:56,160 electromagnetic 1562 01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:58,559 radiation hitting the earth and that 1563 01:07:03,190 --> 01:07:00,400 gives you the seasons and that causes 1564 01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:03,200 you know trillions of objects to spring 1565 01:07:07,829 --> 01:07:04,400 out of the ground bloom 1566 01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:07,839 decay and go through their cycle 1567 01:07:11,829 --> 01:07:10,960 um so they they you know many species 1568 01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:11,839 have their 1569 01:07:18,789 --> 01:07:15,520 their own little decline 1570 01:07:19,270 --> 01:07:18,799 every year if you will and then there's 1571 01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:19,280 this 1572 01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:23,280 talk about and lost our missing time and 1573 01:07:27,670 --> 01:07:24,720 the great year that we've 1574 01:07:28,069 --> 01:07:27,680 been studying does our entire solar 1575 01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:28,079 system 1576 01:07:31,349 --> 01:07:30,000 go around another star does that cause 1577 01:07:34,789 --> 01:07:31,359 an even 1578 01:07:36,309 --> 01:07:34,799 longer cycle and of course 1579 01:07:37,829 --> 01:07:36,319 you know there's over 30 ancient 1580 01:07:40,150 --> 01:07:37,839 cultures that say 1581 01:07:42,710 --> 01:07:40,160 that it does you know and they talk 1582 01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:42,720 about a long-lost golden age and the 1583 01:07:46,230 --> 01:07:44,400 greeks break it into the iron bronze 1584 01:07:47,990 --> 01:07:46,240 silver and golden age the indians break 1585 01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:48,000 it into the 1586 01:07:51,349 --> 01:07:50,400 cali drapara tread and sachi yugas and 1587 01:07:54,630 --> 01:07:51,359 they 1588 01:07:58,390 --> 01:07:54,640 tell us how very different life is in 1589 01:08:03,349 --> 01:07:58,400 in each uh epoch and 1590 01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:03,359 and so i i bring this up to say that 1591 01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:05,920 i don't think we we have the the mental 1592 01:08:12,549 --> 01:08:09,520 framework right now to really understand 1593 01:08:15,589 --> 01:08:12,559 what's gone on in the distant past 1594 01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:15,599 but the some of these 1595 01:08:20,789 --> 01:08:18,880 ancients that talk about this cycle 1596 01:08:22,789 --> 01:08:20,799 tell us that the earth goes through a 1597 01:08:25,910 --> 01:08:22,799 complete 1598 01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:25,920 change inwardly and outwardly 1599 01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:29,279 and uh what i'm really interested in 1600 01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:30,719 right now is the changes that we're 1601 01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:33,120 going through at this particular 1602 01:08:38,550 --> 01:08:36,480 time in the cycle um so can i 1603 01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:38,560 just elaborate on that point absolutely 1604 01:08:45,030 --> 01:08:41,040 i'm i'm right here with you 1605 01:08:47,669 --> 01:08:45,040 okay so uh according to 1606 01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:47,679 uh you know the vedic tradition and and 1607 01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:48,560 the greeks 1608 01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:51,120 plato called this cycle the great year 1609 01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:52,960 and it's one procession the equinox 1610 01:08:57,910 --> 01:08:54,239 which is roughly 1611 01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:57,920 24 26 000 years depending on how you 1612 01:09:02,550 --> 01:08:59,279 measure it 1613 01:09:05,749 --> 01:09:02,560 and we all agree 1614 01:09:06,070 --> 01:09:05,759 that there was a dark age you know and 1615 01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:06,080 it 1616 01:09:13,669 --> 01:09:10,560 were great civilizations that 1617 01:09:16,390 --> 01:09:13,679 that sort of melted into the dark age uh 1618 01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:16,400 beckley tepi faded the ancient egyptian 1619 01:09:21,749 --> 01:09:18,560 civilization faded all of 1620 01:09:24,709 --> 01:09:21,759 mesopotamia sumerica babylon etc 1621 01:09:25,510 --> 01:09:24,719 uh the great indus valley harappa 1622 01:09:27,269 --> 01:09:25,520 mohenjo 1623 01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:27,279 daro you know these are places that they 1624 01:09:33,030 --> 01:09:30,400 had uh 1625 01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:33,040 fantastic buildings with indoor plumbing 1626 01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:33,600 and 1627 01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:48,960 the mesopotamians for example you know 1628 01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:50,560 they had these great ziggurats and 1629 01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:52,239 hanging gardens and 1630 01:09:56,790 --> 01:09:55,199 uh fantastic cities and they you know a 1631 01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:56,800 few thousand years ago 1632 01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:59,280 uh or by the time the dark ages they 1633 01:10:03,590 --> 01:10:00,400 were 1634 01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:03,600 literally nomads uh you know in 1635 01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:07,199 tents and camels and so 1636 01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:10,960 uh it tells me that this cycle probably 1637 01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:13,199 has some reality to it 1638 01:10:16,229 --> 01:10:15,440 and and that we should study these you 1639 01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:16,239 know longer 1640 01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:18,719 motions of the earth to really better 1641 01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:19,520 understand 1642 01:10:26,310 --> 01:10:23,280 uh what's going on here on earth 1643 01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:26,320 and and they would say at this time you 1644 01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:28,400 know we've come out of the dark ages 1645 01:10:32,709 --> 01:10:31,360 we're learning how to work with finer 1646 01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:32,719 forces 1647 01:10:37,110 --> 01:10:35,280 and of course in the dark ages we only 1648 01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:37,120 could conceive of things we could touch 1649 01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:38,239 with our 1650 01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:45,440 and um and then with 1651 01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:47,280 with the sort of the renaissance which 1652 01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:50,159 actually means rebirth rebirth the cycle 1653 01:10:54,310 --> 01:10:52,560 uh we discover you know the things 1654 01:10:55,990 --> 01:10:54,320 aren't so solid after all that 1655 01:10:57,430 --> 01:10:56,000 solid things are made out of molecules 1656 01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:57,440 and those molecules are made out of 1657 01:10:59,910 --> 01:10:58,480 atoms and 1658 01:11:01,830 --> 01:10:59,920 but you know the atoms are made of 1659 01:11:02,470 --> 01:11:01,840 electrons and neutrons and protons and 1660 01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:02,480 they're 1661 01:11:10,830 --> 01:11:08,880 so far from each other that there's 1662 01:11:12,229 --> 01:11:10,840 everything is virtually made out of 1663 01:11:14,390 --> 01:11:12,239 nothing 1664 01:11:16,709 --> 01:11:14,400 and so we're learning whole new ways to 1665 01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:16,719 look at life we're actually harnessing 1666 01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:18,320 this power you know we used to 1667 01:11:22,630 --> 01:11:20,239 communicate through 1668 01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:22,640 written letters or talking face to face 1669 01:11:26,070 --> 01:11:23,280 and now we 1670 01:11:29,189 --> 01:11:26,080 send electronics back and forth just as 1671 01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:29,199 we're doing here with this show 1672 01:11:34,630 --> 01:11:33,120 and so it's it's you know you gotta ask 1673 01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:34,640 where are we now what are we going 1674 01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:36,480 through and um 1675 01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:38,400 and that brings me to one other cycle 1676 01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:40,880 i'd love to mention 1677 01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:43,199 um and it's it's a little topical it was 1678 01:11:49,590 --> 01:11:45,840 just on cnbc 1679 01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:49,600 and it's it's the the book on this 1680 01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:51,760 topic is called the fourth turning and 1681 01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:53,440 they talk about the ciculum 1682 01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:56,400 this is a cycle that i think the term 1683 01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:57,760 comes from uh 1684 01:12:01,110 --> 01:12:00,239 before the romans i think it might be 1685 01:12:07,189 --> 01:12:01,120 the 1686 01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:07,199 but anyway it goes very far back and and 1687 01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:07,600 one 1688 01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:13,679 so it's not not just a generation of 20 1689 01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:15,199 years or so 1690 01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:19,120 uh 25 years but uh when the entire 1691 01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:20,800 population of the earth 1692 01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:23,199 uh you know is born and then dies again 1693 01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:25,199 that is roughly a seculum 1694 01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:28,560 and why it's important is because 1695 01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:31,679 during that period of time even though 1696 01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:34,080 we might be in a rising age 1697 01:12:41,590 --> 01:12:38,080 knowledge is lost and uh 1698 01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:41,600 and so the the four turnings they talk 1699 01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:42,960 about is in the 1700 01:12:46,390 --> 01:12:45,600 in the really tough times the children 1701 01:12:49,350 --> 01:12:46,400 of that 1702 01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:49,360 time period uh you know are growing up 1703 01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:50,719 in very 1704 01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:52,960 harsh and practical circumstances so 1705 01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:54,239 they have to be 1706 01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:55,920 very practical about things and 1707 01:12:58,950 --> 01:12:57,600 governments have to be very practical 1708 01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:58,960 about things 1709 01:13:02,149 --> 01:13:01,360 but their children they can relax a 1710 01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:02,159 little bit 1711 01:13:09,910 --> 01:13:06,640 and have have uh you know more 1712 01:13:11,990 --> 01:13:09,920 liberal uh societies 1713 01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:12,000 and and then this goes on of course the 1714 01:13:15,910 --> 01:13:13,600 children of those children 1715 01:13:17,910 --> 01:13:15,920 kind of get a little out of touch with 1716 01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:17,920 you know even the need for balance 1717 01:13:21,430 --> 01:13:18,560 budgets 1718 01:13:22,149 --> 01:13:21,440 or uh or good governance and things like 1719 01:13:25,430 --> 01:13:22,159 that 1720 01:13:29,270 --> 01:13:25,440 uh and they they start uh 1721 01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:29,280 going down all sorts of tangents and so 1722 01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:31,840 the guy the main author of this book 1723 01:13:35,669 --> 01:13:33,040 neil howe 1724 01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:35,679 he was just recently on cnbc but i had 1725 01:13:40,390 --> 01:13:38,239 listened to him in 1997 1726 01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:40,400 uh when his book came out or just a 1727 01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:41,760 couple years after 1728 01:13:46,470 --> 01:13:44,000 and he was saying yeah we'll have be 1729 01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:46,480 ready for the next turning around 1730 01:13:52,630 --> 01:13:49,840 2020 or so and i said well 1731 01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:52,640 golly i hope i remember this and sure 1732 01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:53,280 enough 1733 01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:57,120 uh you know he says you kind of have to 1734 01:14:01,750 --> 01:13:58,560 go through 1735 01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:01,760 winters uh just to sort of 1736 01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:03,600 rationalize everything and get things 1737 01:14:08,229 --> 01:14:05,040 back to 1738 01:14:09,669 --> 01:14:08,239 to a healthy balance and 1739 01:14:11,270 --> 01:14:09,679 and it doesn't mean that everyone's 1740 01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:11,280 going to be in trouble or you 1741 01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:14,800 you have to have you know just 1742 01:14:18,149 --> 01:14:16,880 devastating depressions but he does say 1743 01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:18,159 that a lot of 1744 01:14:21,189 --> 01:14:20,560 things are going to happen and and there 1745 01:14:23,669 --> 01:14:21,199 will be 1746 01:14:24,870 --> 01:14:23,679 some tough circumstances for many but it 1747 01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:24,880 will also result 1748 01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:28,080 in sort of the next turn when when 1749 01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:30,719 we all get more practical well because 1750 01:14:37,030 --> 01:14:31,280 you have to 1751 01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:37,040 experiences like at the beginning of the 1752 01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:37,840 seculum 1753 01:14:42,149 --> 01:14:41,600 right and yeah it's a certain experience 1754 01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:42,159 uh 1755 01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:45,199 the the children at the end absolutely 1756 01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:46,560 are going through a kind 1757 01:14:50,229 --> 01:14:48,719 or gentler experience because of what 1758 01:14:53,669 --> 01:14:50,239 came before 1759 01:14:57,270 --> 01:14:53,679 and if if that generation dies out 1760 01:15:00,229 --> 01:14:57,280 you don't have the experiences 1761 01:15:01,590 --> 01:15:00,239 from the beginning of the seculum and 1762 01:15:03,990 --> 01:15:01,600 it's a fascinating 1763 01:15:04,709 --> 01:15:04,000 fascinating way to look at things 1764 01:15:06,470 --> 01:15:04,719 because 1765 01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:06,480 you're right that knowledge those 1766 01:15:10,709 --> 01:15:07,920 experiences 1767 01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:10,719 is gone right you don't have the people 1768 01:15:15,510 --> 01:15:11,600 around to 1769 01:15:16,310 --> 01:15:15,520 communicate with you those experiences 1770 01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:16,320 because those 1771 01:15:21,990 --> 01:15:19,440 experiences have died with those that 1772 01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:22,000 carried them right 1773 01:15:26,550 --> 01:15:24,480 very much so and uh you know many people 1774 01:15:28,070 --> 01:15:26,560 have talked about it including churchill 1775 01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:28,080 you know if you forget your histories 1776 01:15:33,030 --> 01:15:30,000 you're destined to relive them 1777 01:15:34,870 --> 01:15:33,040 and and so it is i think with us to some 1778 01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:34,880 degree now we've gotten 1779 01:15:38,709 --> 01:15:37,760 so far away from uh you know really 1780 01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:38,719 down-to-earth 1781 01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:42,239 practical uh ways of 1782 01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:44,880 government and education and and things 1783 01:15:49,430 --> 01:15:46,239 like this that 1784 01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:49,440 that we're in for some learnings and 1785 01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:51,600 you know i do think it's it's a spiral 1786 01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:52,960 thing where you know 1787 01:15:56,950 --> 01:15:55,920 hopefully with each turn you you go on 1788 01:16:01,110 --> 01:15:56,960 to uh 1789 01:16:03,189 --> 01:16:01,120 to a higher path um 1790 01:16:06,070 --> 01:16:03,199 let me let me let me stop you right 1791 01:16:10,229 --> 01:16:06,080 there walter 1792 01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:10,239 man in that you uh 1793 01:16:15,189 --> 01:16:13,360 you are a man of science you look at 1794 01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:15,199 science you study science you know the 1795 01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:16,320 history 1796 01:16:20,149 --> 01:16:18,480 you know about edwin hubble and 1797 01:16:22,229 --> 01:16:20,159 physicists in einstein 1798 01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:22,239 and in the universe you study this is 1799 01:16:27,189 --> 01:16:23,760 what you do 1800 01:16:30,550 --> 01:16:27,199 but you are also speaking about 1801 01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:30,560 a spirituality side of this 1802 01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:33,120 where most people coming from a 1803 01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:35,120 scientific background 1804 01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:38,000 that are studying the stars is a zone 1805 01:16:41,189 --> 01:16:38,480 that 1806 01:16:42,229 --> 01:16:41,199 they are reticent to go into they will 1807 01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:42,239 not 1808 01:16:45,430 --> 01:16:44,000 go into it wasn't that way in the 1809 01:16:49,030 --> 01:16:45,440 distant past 1810 01:16:50,070 --> 01:16:49,040 but that is the the method of operation 1811 01:16:52,709 --> 01:16:50,080 today 1812 01:16:54,070 --> 01:16:52,719 are you treading lightly yeah yeah yeah 1813 01:16:56,870 --> 01:16:54,080 are you treading lightly when you 1814 01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:56,880 discuss these subjects 1815 01:17:01,910 --> 01:17:00,480 uh yes because 1816 01:17:03,750 --> 01:17:01,920 you're right you know you got to be a 1817 01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:03,760 little pc out there 1818 01:17:11,430 --> 01:17:08,000 or people really will bash you and 1819 01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:11,440 you know obviously i'll talk to 1820 01:17:16,070 --> 01:17:14,640 to friends and fellow scientists uh in a 1821 01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:16,080 frank manner because we're all trying to 1822 01:17:19,830 --> 01:17:17,760 get it the truth but 1823 01:17:21,189 --> 01:17:19,840 in large forms and things yeah you do 1824 01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:21,199 have to be a little bit careful what you 1825 01:17:24,870 --> 01:17:22,480 say or you get 1826 01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:24,880 get a lot of email and tweets and things 1827 01:17:28,790 --> 01:17:25,920 like that you're 1828 01:17:29,590 --> 01:17:28,800 you're not crazy about but you know and 1829 01:17:31,750 --> 01:17:29,600 this is where 1830 01:17:33,830 --> 01:17:31,760 i think something we lost because 1831 01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:33,840 science really started 1832 01:17:40,149 --> 01:17:36,880 uh with uh people of deep 1833 01:17:43,110 --> 01:17:40,159 faith you know uh newton had had a very 1834 01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:43,120 uh deep faith einstein himself said you 1835 01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:44,400 know i have no i 1836 01:17:47,990 --> 01:17:46,480 no doubt that god exists i just want to 1837 01:17:51,030 --> 01:17:48,000 know how he did it 1838 01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:51,040 and uh but along the way 1839 01:17:55,750 --> 01:17:53,280 you know we got so into the material 1840 01:17:59,590 --> 01:17:55,760 explanations of things 1841 01:18:00,310 --> 01:17:59,600 that forgot you know what we were 1842 01:18:02,630 --> 01:18:00,320 discovering 1843 01:18:03,910 --> 01:18:02,640 we've we forgot you know we're trying to 1844 01:18:06,310 --> 01:18:03,920 discover 1845 01:18:07,669 --> 01:18:06,320 where we are who we are why we're here 1846 01:18:10,830 --> 01:18:07,679 where we're going 1847 01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:10,840 uh you know it can't be that that 1848 01:18:17,189 --> 01:18:14,400 everything just came from nothing that's 1849 01:18:18,950 --> 01:18:17,199 that's even more metaphysical or more of 1850 01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:18,960 a miracle than 1851 01:18:24,630 --> 01:18:22,320 than having a creator that's right so 1852 01:18:26,470 --> 01:18:24,640 you know and you bring up such an 1853 01:18:28,790 --> 01:18:26,480 important point 1854 01:18:31,030 --> 01:18:28,800 uh and all the physicists of the world 1855 01:18:34,149 --> 01:18:31,040 that are listening to me right now 1856 01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:34,159 listen to my words which is 1857 01:18:40,790 --> 01:18:37,440 this newton 1858 01:18:44,790 --> 01:18:40,800 his math his equations on 1859 01:18:48,070 --> 01:18:44,800 gravity are virtually identical 1860 01:18:52,630 --> 01:18:48,080 the same math that we use today 1861 01:18:56,229 --> 01:18:52,640 to run this planet to go to the moon 1862 01:18:59,430 --> 01:18:56,239 that is from newton a man who was so 1863 01:19:00,630 --> 01:18:59,440 deeply religious that he was probably 1864 01:19:04,390 --> 01:19:00,640 more religious 1865 01:19:07,830 --> 01:19:04,400 than he was a scientist and we 1866 01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:07,840 we have lost track of that physicist 1867 01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:09,840 will mention that in passing oh yeah 1868 01:19:13,350 --> 01:19:10,800 sure he 1869 01:19:14,149 --> 01:19:13,360 he translated the bible he did this he's 1870 01:19:17,750 --> 01:19:14,159 he you know 1871 01:19:22,070 --> 01:19:17,760 but uh and then they'll just let it go 1872 01:19:25,750 --> 01:19:22,080 but but newton was okay with that 1873 01:19:27,510 --> 01:19:25,760 yeah no it's almost like uh 1874 01:19:29,669 --> 01:19:27,520 you know we think well well we've 1875 01:19:30,550 --> 01:19:29,679 evolved we're smarter now we don't have 1876 01:19:33,910 --> 01:19:30,560 to 1877 01:19:37,030 --> 01:19:33,920 uh rely on uh superstitious 1878 01:19:38,790 --> 01:19:37,040 causes but we've we've thrown the baby 1879 01:19:40,709 --> 01:19:38,800 out really we've thrown god out with the 1880 01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:40,719 bathwater if you will 1881 01:19:44,229 --> 01:19:43,120 and you know we talked about darwin 1882 01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:44,239 earlier 1883 01:19:51,430 --> 01:19:47,280 um the reason 1884 01:19:54,470 --> 01:19:51,440 that i think darwin was so embraced 1885 01:19:56,229 --> 01:19:54,480 at the time was with science was making 1886 01:19:58,950 --> 01:19:56,239 these big strides in 1887 01:20:00,630 --> 01:19:58,960 understanding geology and the paradigm 1888 01:20:02,550 --> 01:20:00,640 at the time of darwin you know early 1889 01:20:06,149 --> 01:20:02,560 1800s 1890 01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:06,159 so uh leading up to that was 1891 01:20:12,149 --> 01:20:09,840 that this fundamental interpretation of 1892 01:20:13,110 --> 01:20:12,159 the bible and that things are only 6 000 1893 01:20:16,550 --> 01:20:13,120 years old 1894 01:20:20,709 --> 01:20:16,560 well obviously science 1895 01:20:23,830 --> 01:20:20,719 couldn't agree with that and so um 1896 01:20:25,430 --> 01:20:23,840 so darwin was just quickly embraced for 1897 01:20:27,350 --> 01:20:25,440 everything he wrote 1898 01:20:28,790 --> 01:20:27,360 even though he himself doubted certain 1899 01:20:32,550 --> 01:20:28,800 parts of it 1900 01:20:35,910 --> 01:20:32,560 and uh yeah i do think we need to 1901 01:20:38,470 --> 01:20:35,920 uh you know religion is trying to find 1902 01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:38,480 a deeper truth in my opinion you know as 1903 01:20:42,709 --> 01:20:40,320 it sort of evolves from a 1904 01:20:44,950 --> 01:20:42,719 from a purely fundamentalist way of 1905 01:20:46,149 --> 01:20:44,960 looking at things to a more mystical or 1906 01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:46,159 spiritual 1907 01:20:49,669 --> 01:20:49,120 or you know consciousness point of view 1908 01:20:56,950 --> 01:20:49,679 and 1909 01:20:59,270 --> 01:20:56,960 not be so vain as to throw out 1910 01:21:00,950 --> 01:20:59,280 non-physical causes to think i mean the 1911 01:21:02,629 --> 01:21:00,960 whole idea of consciousness 1912 01:21:04,149 --> 01:21:02,639 science doesn't even have a good 1913 01:21:05,669 --> 01:21:04,159 explanation for 1914 01:21:07,189 --> 01:21:05,679 and yeah we have to meet in the middle 1915 01:21:10,709 --> 01:21:07,199 somewhere we we do 1916 01:21:12,070 --> 01:21:10,719 and the the two trains right parallel 1917 01:21:14,629 --> 01:21:12,080 running parallel but they're getting 1918 01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:14,639 ready to cross over and hit head on 1919 01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:19,360 and they i it's kind of strange 1920 01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:23,600 how i think the spiritual 1921 01:21:27,990 --> 01:21:26,080 not even to go even into religious but 1922 01:21:31,430 --> 01:21:28,000 let's say the conscious community 1923 01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:31,440 the spiritual community is okay with 1924 01:21:34,870 --> 01:21:32,800 science 1925 01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:34,880 they're okay they don't have a problem 1926 01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:36,320 with science 1927 01:21:39,590 --> 01:21:38,800 science has a problem with the spiritual 1928 01:21:41,990 --> 01:21:39,600 side 1929 01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:42,000 right and and they think that there is 1930 01:21:45,750 --> 01:21:43,760 this great divide i don't think the 1931 01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:45,760 great divide exists i think it only 1932 01:21:48,550 --> 01:21:46,560 exists 1933 01:21:52,390 --> 01:21:48,560 uh with the scientific community and 1934 01:21:57,669 --> 01:21:55,270 right i would agree with that that the 1935 01:22:00,950 --> 01:21:57,679 other side is a little bit more open 1936 01:22:03,510 --> 01:22:00,960 um but you know i i would say too 1937 01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:03,520 uh that there's a fair amount of 1938 01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:04,960 scientists that are 1939 01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:08,320 uh you know spiritual or trying to 1940 01:22:14,470 --> 01:22:10,880 understand what consciousness is 1941 01:22:16,550 --> 01:22:14,480 on a deeper level and it's just that 1942 01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:16,560 they're almost ostracized if they talk 1943 01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:18,320 about it because 1944 01:22:22,390 --> 01:22:20,560 you know we we think of the scientific 1945 01:22:23,990 --> 01:22:22,400 method as something you absolutely have 1946 01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:24,000 to prove and 1947 01:22:27,830 --> 01:22:26,719 what if there are things that can't be 1948 01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:27,840 easily proven i 1949 01:22:33,990 --> 01:22:31,840 at least physically proven and so 1950 01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:34,000 i think for the dilemmas yeah that's a 1951 01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:35,280 tough community too 1952 01:22:38,550 --> 01:22:37,360 the spiritual scientists they get 1953 01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:38,560 together once a year 1954 01:22:43,430 --> 01:22:41,610 all 10 of them had a banquet room in 1955 01:22:46,550 --> 01:22:43,440 [Laughter] 1956 01:22:50,870 --> 01:22:46,560 in la verne but 1957 01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:50,880 it's uh and we make light of this but 1958 01:22:56,229 --> 01:22:54,159 you know nobody wants to 1959 01:22:57,510 --> 01:22:56,239 uh buck this system there are some 1960 01:23:00,870 --> 01:22:57,520 courageous guys 1961 01:23:03,910 --> 01:23:00,880 out there and gals uh out there that 1962 01:23:06,390 --> 01:23:03,920 do wonder about uh 1963 01:23:07,430 --> 01:23:06,400 consciousness what is conscious what 1964 01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:07,440 what makes that 1965 01:23:11,750 --> 01:23:10,000 up is there something more that needs to 1966 01:23:13,669 --> 01:23:11,760 be discussed here about not only the 1967 01:23:14,550 --> 01:23:13,679 creation of the universe but how did we 1968 01:23:17,030 --> 01:23:14,560 get here 1969 01:23:19,510 --> 01:23:17,040 what makes us think and talk it's not 1970 01:23:20,070 --> 01:23:19,520 just chemistry and electricity that 1971 01:23:23,350 --> 01:23:20,080 cause 1972 01:23:26,229 --> 01:23:23,360 these things to happen we laugh and find 1973 01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:26,239 humor in things and we cry and we have 1974 01:23:32,149 --> 01:23:29,040 emotions and we're affected by things 1975 01:23:34,229 --> 01:23:32,159 by something else beyond chemistry 1976 01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:34,239 and they're trying to figure that out 1977 01:23:37,669 --> 01:23:36,000 and then it's the hardcore 1978 01:23:39,430 --> 01:23:37,679 scientists out there in the physicists 1979 01:23:42,310 --> 01:23:39,440 that go nah now 1980 01:23:43,910 --> 01:23:42,320 nothing to see here move along it's very 1981 01:23:46,149 --> 01:23:43,920 interesting to see these arguments 1982 01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:46,159 happen 1983 01:23:51,110 --> 01:23:49,199 it is i one of my uh 1984 01:23:52,870 --> 01:23:51,120 books on my list i actually haven't read 1985 01:23:56,470 --> 01:23:52,880 it uh yet 1986 01:23:59,750 --> 01:23:56,480 but it is uh it's by a 1987 01:24:02,070 --> 01:23:59,760 fella who went to cambridge uh got his 1988 01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:02,080 phd i think it was in 1989 01:24:05,350 --> 01:24:04,320 both biology and mathematics don't quote 1990 01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:05,360 me 1991 01:24:13,110 --> 01:24:10,560 i listened to a talk that he recently 1992 01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:13,120 gave and so his book on this 1993 01:24:16,229 --> 01:24:15,360 topic it's called darwin's doubt the 1994 01:24:19,030 --> 01:24:16,239 explosive 1995 01:24:20,550 --> 01:24:19,040 origin of animal life and the case for 1996 01:24:23,510 --> 01:24:20,560 intelligent design 1997 01:24:25,030 --> 01:24:23,520 so he's he's not afraid to go out there 1998 01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:25,040 on the limb a little bit 1999 01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:28,560 but he uses uh science 100 2000 01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:31,600 the way to uh to raise these doubts 2001 01:24:35,110 --> 01:24:33,920 and to make people think and you know 2002 01:24:38,310 --> 01:24:35,120 for me it was 2003 01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:38,320 it's actually very comforting because i 2004 01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:39,600 feel like 2005 01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:42,960 the whole idea of uh intelligent design 2006 01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:44,400 behind the universes 2007 01:24:48,790 --> 01:24:47,520 has had been so thrown out and so 2008 01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:48,800 denigrated 2009 01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:51,760 that it left a little bit of an empty 2010 01:24:56,070 --> 01:24:52,560 spot 2011 01:24:57,910 --> 01:24:56,080 and sort of to bring it back in and say 2012 01:24:59,110 --> 01:24:57,920 it really has a basis a matter of fact 2013 01:25:03,669 --> 01:24:59,120 if you look at 2014 01:25:07,189 --> 01:25:03,679 life it it all has a code behind it 2015 01:25:10,830 --> 01:25:07,199 that i've i just found it 2016 01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:10,840 sweet and comforting i 2017 01:25:18,470 --> 01:25:13,679 i read 2018 01:25:22,070 --> 01:25:18,480 math 2019 01:25:25,669 --> 01:25:22,080 on how many chemical 2020 01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:25,679 changes and decisions are made 2021 01:25:33,110 --> 01:25:29,440 in the human body per second right 2022 01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:33,120 right and this number had like 23 2023 01:25:38,629 --> 01:25:36,560 zeros right and 2024 01:25:41,510 --> 01:25:38,639 and you have to stop and think about and 2025 01:25:43,669 --> 01:25:41,520 and every one of these decisions 2026 01:25:45,430 --> 01:25:43,679 of which there are trillions upon 2027 01:25:46,229 --> 01:25:45,440 trillions i forget what the number is 2028 01:25:48,870 --> 01:25:46,239 called 2029 01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:48,880 that are happening each second are 2030 01:25:54,070 --> 01:25:50,800 deliberate 2031 01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:54,080 if they're not we don't live 2032 01:26:01,669 --> 01:25:58,639 right it's like wait a minute here 2033 01:26:04,709 --> 01:26:01,679 there is something we needed to stop and 2034 01:26:06,629 --> 01:26:04,719 actually discuss this how 2035 01:26:07,990 --> 01:26:06,639 is it possible and it's not just in 2036 01:26:11,110 --> 01:26:08,000 human beings it's in every 2037 01:26:12,310 --> 01:26:11,120 living creature on on this planet 2038 01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:12,320 and you think about that kind of 2039 01:26:17,430 --> 01:26:14,320 diversity 2040 01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:17,440 and i'm okay with uh 2041 01:26:20,870 --> 01:26:20,400 something else here besides chemistry 2042 01:26:23,510 --> 01:26:20,880 getting 2043 01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:23,520 lucky and i don't understand why science 2044 01:26:28,870 --> 01:26:24,719 doesn't do the same thing i thought 2045 01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:32,149 well it should be uh and i think it 2046 01:26:37,110 --> 01:26:35,280 i think it is but there uh 2047 01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:37,120 for some reason we've gotten to this odd 2048 01:26:40,790 --> 01:26:38,960 place where there are certain questions 2049 01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:40,800 you can't 2050 01:26:46,629 --> 01:26:44,159 ask uh 2051 01:26:48,149 --> 01:26:46,639 you know and it's just not right i i 2052 01:26:49,830 --> 01:26:48,159 guess 2053 01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:49,840 that's because the science is supposed 2054 01:26:53,270 --> 01:26:51,280 to be settled but 2055 01:26:55,590 --> 01:26:53,280 golly if we know anything there's sort 2056 01:26:58,470 --> 01:26:55,600 of always a deeper truth and thus 2057 01:27:00,390 --> 01:26:58,480 you know darwin or i'm sorry um newton 2058 01:27:02,790 --> 01:27:00,400 worked really really well 2059 01:27:03,990 --> 01:27:02,800 except he didn't very well define the 2060 01:27:07,110 --> 01:27:04,000 small things are the super 2061 01:27:10,070 --> 01:27:07,120 big things and so we needed einstein 2062 01:27:12,709 --> 01:27:10,080 and so we do have to question i would i 2063 01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:12,719 guess we just have to do it in 2064 01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:15,440 such a manner that we don't piss too 2065 01:27:18,149 --> 01:27:16,320 many people off 2066 01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:18,159 well and we're going to do when we come 2067 01:27:22,709 --> 01:27:20,159 back after this break 2068 01:27:24,550 --> 01:27:22,719 uh we're going to go right there because 2069 01:27:28,390 --> 01:27:24,560 even einstein 2070 01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:28,400 got it wrong completely 2071 01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:31,760 and like you said you know a static 2072 01:27:36,390 --> 01:27:33,040 stable universe an 2073 01:27:39,189 --> 01:27:36,400 unmoving universe was the accepted 2074 01:27:40,550 --> 01:27:39,199 norm and when we come back we're going 2075 01:27:43,669 --> 01:27:40,560 to discuss that because 2076 01:27:44,629 --> 01:27:43,679 einstein had to backpedal and it must 2077 01:27:46,870 --> 01:27:44,639 have not have been 2078 01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:46,880 easy for him especially at that time 2079 01:27:51,430 --> 01:27:47,840 with his 2080 01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:51,440 around the world this 2081 01:27:55,350 --> 01:27:53,520 is fade to black i am your host jimmy 2082 01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:55,360 church our guest tonight walter 2083 01:27:59,430 --> 01:27:56,239 cruttenden 2084 01:28:00,950 --> 01:27:59,440 we are discussing everything 2085 01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:00,960 this is fade to black i'm yours timmy 2086 01:28:15,150 --> 01:28:02,719 church more with walter when we come 2087 01:28:23,430 --> 01:28:15,160 back after this short break stay with us 2088 01:28:29,669 --> 01:28:26,550 way out here we listen to jimmy church 2089 01:28:31,510 --> 01:28:29,679 you're listening to 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bucks 2197 01:33:26,550 --> 01:33:23,440 a month and uh 2198 01:33:29,510 --> 01:33:26,560 walter uh science 2199 01:33:31,350 --> 01:33:29,520 science has to be a series of 2200 01:33:34,709 --> 01:33:31,360 corrections 2201 01:33:36,149 --> 01:33:34,719 we know this it's nothing but a series 2202 01:33:39,830 --> 01:33:36,159 of corrections 2203 01:33:42,229 --> 01:33:39,840 and back in 1922 uh 2204 01:33:43,189 --> 01:33:42,239 and i i read so many books and and 2205 01:33:45,910 --> 01:33:43,199 studied you know 2206 01:33:47,910 --> 01:33:45,920 einstein's big blunder and and the 2207 01:33:51,189 --> 01:33:47,920 mistake that he made 2208 01:33:56,709 --> 01:33:51,199 uh it was edwin hubble that 2209 01:33:56,719 --> 01:34:00,310 oh good question um 2210 01:34:06,950 --> 01:34:03,669 so some of those corrections uh 2211 01:34:08,950 --> 01:34:06,960 you're referring to are so big that they 2212 01:34:10,470 --> 01:34:08,960 change our world view and i think that's 2213 01:34:12,149 --> 01:34:10,480 why these things are memorable in 2214 01:34:16,229 --> 01:34:12,159 history so 2215 01:34:19,510 --> 01:34:16,239 you know prior to hubble 2216 01:34:20,149 --> 01:34:19,520 uh it was thought that you know at least 2217 01:34:22,790 --> 01:34:20,159 by 2218 01:34:25,350 --> 01:34:22,800 the material scientists that the 2219 01:34:26,790 --> 01:34:25,360 universe was in a steady state 2220 01:34:28,870 --> 01:34:26,800 and it's just because there was no 2221 01:34:29,430 --> 01:34:28,880 evidence for anything else you just look 2222 01:34:31,189 --> 01:34:29,440 out at the 2223 01:34:33,030 --> 01:34:31,199 night sky and you figure everything's 2224 01:34:33,669 --> 01:34:33,040 always like this the fixed stars are 2225 01:34:37,270 --> 01:34:33,679 fixed 2226 01:34:40,390 --> 01:34:37,280 not much is moving and that was 2227 01:34:43,830 --> 01:34:40,400 uh that was perplexing to 2228 01:34:48,070 --> 01:34:43,840 a lot of people because it goes 2229 01:34:50,149 --> 01:34:48,080 directly against uh sort of a higher 2230 01:34:52,870 --> 01:34:50,159 spiritual teaching if you will where you 2231 01:34:54,550 --> 01:34:52,880 know the bible 2232 01:34:55,990 --> 01:34:54,560 i think page one it says in the 2233 01:34:59,590 --> 01:34:56,000 beginning 2234 01:35:00,709 --> 01:34:59,600 so implying that the universe has a 2235 01:35:04,310 --> 01:35:00,719 beginning 2236 01:35:07,510 --> 01:35:04,320 and so there was this little underlying 2237 01:35:10,070 --> 01:35:07,520 uh dis-ease between sort of the 2238 01:35:12,149 --> 01:35:10,080 spiritual community and and the 2239 01:35:16,310 --> 01:35:12,159 scientists of the time 2240 01:35:19,189 --> 01:35:16,320 and it was it was hubble 2241 01:35:20,790 --> 01:35:19,199 uh that that really was one of the first 2242 01:35:23,750 --> 01:35:20,800 to understand 2243 01:35:24,310 --> 01:35:23,760 uh that those fuzzy things we see out 2244 01:35:26,870 --> 01:35:24,320 there 2245 01:35:28,550 --> 01:35:26,880 that we thought were just nebuli or 2246 01:35:30,950 --> 01:35:28,560 actually galaxies 2247 01:35:33,510 --> 01:35:30,960 and then if you look really close 2248 01:35:36,950 --> 01:35:33,520 there's a whole bunch of galaxies 2249 01:35:40,310 --> 01:35:36,960 and if you look closer still 2250 01:35:44,310 --> 01:35:40,320 some of them seem to be very very 2251 01:35:47,510 --> 01:35:44,320 far out there and and if you look 2252 01:35:49,910 --> 01:35:47,520 closer still you'll see that 2253 01:35:52,390 --> 01:35:49,920 many of them are red-shifted meaning 2254 01:35:55,669 --> 01:35:52,400 that the waves coming from them 2255 01:35:58,709 --> 01:35:55,679 the electromagnetic wave is uh 2256 01:36:00,950 --> 01:35:58,719 you know if if it's 2257 01:36:03,109 --> 01:36:00,960 if it was coming towards us if the 2258 01:36:03,430 --> 01:36:03,119 object say the galaxy was coming towards 2259 01:36:05,830 --> 01:36:03,440 us 2260 01:36:07,669 --> 01:36:05,840 the wave would be uh compressed it would 2261 01:36:09,109 --> 01:36:07,679 be blue shifted if it's going away from 2262 01:36:10,950 --> 01:36:09,119 us it's redshifted 2263 01:36:13,350 --> 01:36:10,960 so he not only realized there are a lot 2264 01:36:16,149 --> 01:36:13,360 of galaxies and they're moving far away 2265 01:36:18,229 --> 01:36:16,159 but that they're uh that the whole 2266 01:36:22,229 --> 01:36:18,239 universe is expanding 2267 01:36:22,550 --> 01:36:22,239 and and that's that's a revelation to 2268 01:36:24,470 --> 01:36:22,560 this 2269 01:36:26,470 --> 01:36:24,480 whole other conversation because if the 2270 01:36:29,189 --> 01:36:26,480 universe is expanding 2271 01:36:30,149 --> 01:36:29,199 that means you could go back you know a 2272 01:36:34,149 --> 01:36:30,159 billion years ago 2273 01:36:35,830 --> 01:36:34,159 years ago and it's smaller and smaller 2274 01:36:38,149 --> 01:36:35,840 and smaller and smaller 2275 01:36:39,510 --> 01:36:38,159 so it really means the universe has a 2276 01:36:42,149 --> 01:36:39,520 beginning 2277 01:36:43,830 --> 01:36:42,159 and and so once again the uh sort of the 2278 01:36:47,750 --> 01:36:43,840 ancient teachings 2279 01:36:49,990 --> 01:36:47,760 are realigned uh with the uh 2280 01:36:52,070 --> 01:36:50,000 with with science and so it was a 2281 01:36:53,750 --> 01:36:52,080 glorious period in my mind and 2282 01:36:56,310 --> 01:36:53,760 hubble deserves a lot of work and 2283 01:36:59,830 --> 01:36:56,320 service uh george i think his 2284 01:37:01,910 --> 01:36:59,840 last name is the matre uh 2285 01:37:03,990 --> 01:37:01,920 he was a belgian catholic priest who 2286 01:37:06,470 --> 01:37:04,000 happened to also be an astronomer so 2287 01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:06,480 maybe he had some other reasons for 2288 01:37:10,070 --> 01:37:07,360 effectively 2289 01:37:11,030 --> 01:37:10,080 uh looking at the redshift data and 2290 01:37:14,070 --> 01:37:11,040 coming to this 2291 01:37:16,950 --> 01:37:14,080 explanation there was a big bang yeah 2292 01:37:18,390 --> 01:37:16,960 and what was so interesting uh for me 2293 01:37:21,669 --> 01:37:18,400 about that period 2294 01:37:24,310 --> 01:37:21,679 we're talking about 1922 1923 2295 01:37:24,870 --> 01:37:24,320 in that when hubble and all of this 2296 01:37:27,910 --> 01:37:24,880 happened 2297 01:37:29,750 --> 01:37:27,920 uh literally in my backyard on mount 2298 01:37:33,270 --> 01:37:29,760 wilson which you can see 2299 01:37:33,750 --> 01:37:33,280 uh from my home and yeah the mount 2300 01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:33,760 wilson 2301 01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:36,800 observatory and and edwin hubble 2302 01:37:41,910 --> 01:37:39,760 had uh just fired up the biggest 2303 01:37:43,910 --> 01:37:41,920 telescope in the world it was 2304 01:37:46,070 --> 01:37:43,920 a hundred inch uh telescope called 2305 01:37:49,270 --> 01:37:46,080 hooker it was the hooker telescope 2306 01:37:52,149 --> 01:37:49,280 and so him and his assistant started 2307 01:37:52,950 --> 01:37:52,159 you know mapping uh these stars out and 2308 01:37:56,550 --> 01:37:52,960 they found 2309 01:37:58,870 --> 01:37:56,560 in in in andromeda and they see 2310 01:38:00,070 --> 01:37:58,880 see them moving and the redshift that 2311 01:38:02,870 --> 01:38:00,080 you're talking about 2312 01:38:04,229 --> 01:38:02,880 and what he then discovered was not only 2313 01:38:07,990 --> 01:38:04,239 are they moving 2314 01:38:11,270 --> 01:38:08,000 but the further out a galaxy was 2315 01:38:14,870 --> 01:38:11,280 the faster it was moving 2316 01:38:16,470 --> 01:38:14,880 so it would indicate that the universe 2317 01:38:20,310 --> 01:38:16,480 was not only expanding 2318 01:38:23,270 --> 01:38:20,320 but it was increasing its speed 2319 01:38:26,390 --> 01:38:23,280 of expansion and what when and going 2320 01:38:27,430 --> 01:38:26,400 back to 1922 1923 the point that you 2321 01:38:29,910 --> 01:38:27,440 just made 2322 01:38:32,550 --> 01:38:29,920 there were arguments on both sides of 2323 01:38:35,669 --> 01:38:32,560 this that were pretty strong 2324 01:38:38,470 --> 01:38:35,679 so to have something tip the scales 2325 01:38:39,830 --> 01:38:38,480 all the way over on to the other side 2326 01:38:43,510 --> 01:38:39,840 because 2327 01:38:44,870 --> 01:38:43,520 quite honestly the community was split 2328 01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:44,880 right down the middle and there was a 2329 01:38:49,990 --> 01:38:46,800 lot of evidence supporting 2330 01:38:51,510 --> 01:38:50,000 uh supporting them both but that's how 2331 01:38:55,109 --> 01:38:51,520 big of a moment this was 2332 01:38:57,430 --> 01:38:55,119 wasn't it it was that big 2333 01:38:59,669 --> 01:38:57,440 and uh you know we were talking a little 2334 01:39:00,870 --> 01:38:59,679 bit about einstein before the break and 2335 01:39:02,790 --> 01:39:00,880 and you got to really hand it to 2336 01:39:05,109 --> 01:39:02,800 einstein he was one of the more 2337 01:39:06,229 --> 01:39:05,119 humble scientists i i believe he was 2338 01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:06,239 just so deep 2339 01:39:11,830 --> 01:39:09,520 he didn't have any room for ego but uh 2340 01:39:13,189 --> 01:39:11,840 yeah he was the one that you know he'd 2341 01:39:17,270 --> 01:39:13,199 come up with this whole 2342 01:39:21,030 --> 01:39:17,280 uh steady state uh static 2343 01:39:25,109 --> 01:39:21,040 universe and so he even had to invent uh 2344 01:39:28,470 --> 01:39:25,119 a constant to to have make sense of it 2345 01:39:30,790 --> 01:39:28,480 and uh and of course when he saw uh 2346 01:39:31,990 --> 01:39:30,800 hubble's data and and and talked to a 2347 01:39:34,070 --> 01:39:32,000 few others 2348 01:39:35,030 --> 01:39:34,080 he realized that oh yeah it has to be 2349 01:39:37,350 --> 01:39:35,040 expanding 2350 01:39:40,149 --> 01:39:37,360 but there's a famous well there's a 2351 01:39:42,790 --> 01:39:40,159 famous photograph of einstein uh 2352 01:39:43,189 --> 01:39:42,800 with with edwin hubble at the hooker's 2353 01:39:45,109 --> 01:39:43,199 uh 2354 01:39:46,229 --> 01:39:45,119 telescope looking through the eyepiece 2355 01:39:48,870 --> 01:39:46,239 right 2356 01:39:50,470 --> 01:39:48,880 and it was like a week later einstein 2357 01:39:55,109 --> 01:39:50,480 went back with an eraser 2358 01:39:58,870 --> 01:39:55,119 right changed changed a couple digits 2359 01:40:00,550 --> 01:39:58,880 and and changed his equations 2360 01:40:03,030 --> 01:40:00,560 for everybody and you're absolutely 2361 01:40:04,229 --> 01:40:03,040 right he was very humble in that regard 2362 01:40:06,310 --> 01:40:04,239 he didn't want to do it 2363 01:40:07,350 --> 01:40:06,320 he changed it a couple of times leading 2364 01:40:10,870 --> 01:40:07,360 up to that 2365 01:40:13,350 --> 01:40:10,880 to make everything static right that's 2366 01:40:14,629 --> 01:40:13,360 that's the other extraordinary thing and 2367 01:40:17,030 --> 01:40:14,639 today 2368 01:40:18,070 --> 01:40:17,040 uh which also leads into some of your 2369 01:40:20,470 --> 01:40:18,080 research 2370 01:40:22,709 --> 01:40:20,480 today i don't see that same freedom of 2371 01:40:28,390 --> 01:40:22,719 thought 2372 01:40:34,470 --> 01:40:31,910 it seems to stay inside of the box 2373 01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:34,480 nobody wants to go outside of the box 2374 01:40:44,950 --> 01:40:42,790 um you know i 2375 01:40:46,790 --> 01:40:44,960 i think it's almost well i think it's 2376 01:40:51,030 --> 01:40:46,800 because 2377 01:40:53,430 --> 01:40:51,040 uh materialism uh you know just a 2378 01:40:55,510 --> 01:40:53,440 a materialistic explanation of the 2379 01:40:58,550 --> 01:40:55,520 universe 2380 01:41:01,189 --> 01:40:58,560 has become a religion 2381 01:41:02,229 --> 01:41:01,199 for some people you know they don't have 2382 01:41:03,590 --> 01:41:02,239 a religion 2383 01:41:05,669 --> 01:41:03,600 they want something that they can 2384 01:41:06,709 --> 01:41:05,679 believe in we all need a world view to 2385 01:41:08,629 --> 01:41:06,719 just sort of 2386 01:41:09,750 --> 01:41:08,639 get up and operate in the world we kind 2387 01:41:12,629 --> 01:41:09,760 of have to know 2388 01:41:13,030 --> 01:41:12,639 have some opinion about what's going on 2389 01:41:19,270 --> 01:41:13,040 and 2390 01:41:21,750 --> 01:41:19,280 now broken into this 2391 01:41:23,350 --> 01:41:21,760 totally materialistic point of view 2392 01:41:26,709 --> 01:41:23,360 which is almost 2393 01:41:29,669 --> 01:41:26,719 like i say become a religion 2394 01:41:33,510 --> 01:41:29,679 and they you know they are wrong if the 2395 01:41:37,669 --> 01:41:33,520 other side is right and uh 2396 01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:37,679 yeah it's it's it just seems too 2397 01:41:42,470 --> 01:41:40,560 they're too intractable at the moment 2398 01:41:43,430 --> 01:41:42,480 because there's so many things we can't 2399 01:41:46,390 --> 01:41:43,440 explain 2400 01:41:48,310 --> 01:41:46,400 with a completely materialistic view i i 2401 01:41:49,910 --> 01:41:48,320 agree it's good to try 2402 01:41:51,590 --> 01:41:49,920 and try to come up with laws and 2403 01:41:55,030 --> 01:41:51,600 principles 2404 01:41:57,910 --> 01:41:55,040 you know even if i was the creator 2405 01:41:59,669 --> 01:41:57,920 you know i would use a lot of ai tools 2406 01:42:01,830 --> 01:41:59,679 and i think that's what he does 2407 01:42:03,669 --> 01:42:01,840 he he uses laws of physics and things 2408 01:42:05,189 --> 01:42:03,679 just to keep things going 2409 01:42:07,590 --> 01:42:05,199 in the meantime so he doesn't have to 2410 01:42:11,109 --> 01:42:07,600 have his hand on everything but 2411 01:42:13,830 --> 01:42:11,119 um but i think science does need to 2412 01:42:17,590 --> 01:42:13,840 allow for 2413 01:42:18,390 --> 01:42:17,600 you know things non-causal sorts of 2414 01:42:21,189 --> 01:42:18,400 things 2415 01:42:22,310 --> 01:42:21,199 and to say that the universe all comes 2416 01:42:25,350 --> 01:42:22,320 from 2417 01:42:26,149 --> 01:42:25,360 nothing you know it really the current 2418 01:42:30,629 --> 01:42:26,159 theory 2419 01:42:34,550 --> 01:42:30,639 singularity event 2420 01:42:37,669 --> 01:42:34,560 and that is that's smaller than nothing 2421 01:42:39,590 --> 01:42:37,679 and you know i to me that's just another 2422 01:42:41,510 --> 01:42:39,600 definition for god so 2423 01:42:43,189 --> 01:42:41,520 i don't see what all the trouble is but 2424 01:42:46,790 --> 01:42:43,199 apparently people are in two camps 2425 01:42:49,109 --> 01:42:46,800 well and the uh uh 2426 01:42:50,070 --> 01:42:49,119 there's there's two ways for me to that 2427 01:42:54,390 --> 01:42:50,080 to look at this 2428 01:42:58,709 --> 01:42:54,400 one we know that einstein's 2429 01:43:01,430 --> 01:42:58,719 equations work to a certain point 2430 01:43:02,070 --> 01:43:01,440 and when you get smaller and smaller and 2431 01:43:05,189 --> 01:43:02,080 smaller 2432 01:43:08,390 --> 01:43:05,199 closer to the beginning of time right 2433 01:43:11,350 --> 01:43:08,400 the event the big bang the 2434 01:43:13,189 --> 01:43:11,360 equations get jumbled and they don't 2435 01:43:16,550 --> 01:43:13,199 make any sense anymore 2436 01:43:19,990 --> 01:43:16,560 so there's that part of it the other 2437 01:43:20,790 --> 01:43:20,000 side of it for me is when we look at the 2438 01:43:22,790 --> 01:43:20,800 ancients 2439 01:43:23,990 --> 01:43:22,800 it doesn't matter what the culture is 2440 01:43:27,189 --> 01:43:24,000 but the further back you 2441 01:43:28,470 --> 01:43:27,199 go there was a fundamental understanding 2442 01:43:31,430 --> 01:43:28,480 of science 2443 01:43:33,590 --> 01:43:31,440 where it came from i don't know because 2444 01:43:35,990 --> 01:43:33,600 we're not any closer to it today 2445 01:43:39,030 --> 01:43:36,000 but they had a you know to talk about 2446 01:43:42,070 --> 01:43:39,040 knowledge of a precession that covers 26 2447 01:43:44,950 --> 01:43:42,080 000 years doesn't make any sense 2448 01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:44,960 we've only had fundamental signs for 300 2449 01:43:48,550 --> 01:43:45,840 years 2450 01:43:50,070 --> 01:43:48,560 so how did that apply and then at the 2451 01:43:53,510 --> 01:43:50,080 same time 2452 01:43:56,070 --> 01:43:53,520 they had the spiritual side of 2453 01:43:57,910 --> 01:43:56,080 of their knowledge that they understood 2454 01:44:01,109 --> 01:43:57,920 and that they lived by 2455 01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:01,119 today that part is right out so 2456 01:44:05,030 --> 01:44:03,520 maybe we should go back and look at the 2457 01:44:07,350 --> 01:44:05,040 way the ancients 2458 01:44:09,109 --> 01:44:07,360 tried to present this because they had a 2459 01:44:09,590 --> 01:44:09,119 fundamental knowledge of things back 2460 01:44:13,990 --> 01:44:09,600 then 2461 01:44:17,430 --> 01:44:14,000 that they clearly understood didn't they 2462 01:44:20,629 --> 01:44:17,440 i would agree yeah no the ancient rishis 2463 01:44:23,990 --> 01:44:20,639 uh you know vedic tradition 2464 01:44:24,870 --> 01:44:24,000 are are just amazing the more i read 2465 01:44:27,990 --> 01:44:24,880 about them 2466 01:44:33,109 --> 01:44:28,000 the more in awe i am 2467 01:44:39,510 --> 01:44:36,149 science and religion um i 2468 01:44:41,430 --> 01:44:39,520 i read a book that really uh 2469 01:44:43,270 --> 01:44:41,440 helped me see this a little bit more and 2470 01:44:45,750 --> 01:44:43,280 it's it's actually called the holy 2471 01:44:50,790 --> 01:44:45,760 science by three yuctus war 2472 01:44:53,669 --> 01:44:50,800 and and and in it he talks about how 2473 01:44:54,310 --> 01:44:53,679 you know the vedic astronomers were 2474 01:44:58,550 --> 01:44:54,320 great 2475 01:45:01,430 --> 01:44:58,560 observers of the sky and uh 2476 01:45:02,790 --> 01:45:01,440 and and you know they they came up with 2477 01:45:06,070 --> 01:45:02,800 scientific 2478 01:45:08,470 --> 01:45:06,080 uh explanations for things that that 2479 01:45:09,669 --> 01:45:08,480 i i agree they were all lost during the 2480 01:45:11,830 --> 01:45:09,679 dark ages 2481 01:45:13,510 --> 01:45:11,840 uh but we're sort of uncovering some of 2482 01:45:14,629 --> 01:45:13,520 them now and you're right they talked 2483 01:45:17,189 --> 01:45:14,639 about 2484 01:45:19,189 --> 01:45:17,199 uh the procession of the equinox which 2485 01:45:21,990 --> 01:45:19,199 is 2486 01:45:22,950 --> 01:45:22,000 too long a cycle for uh for us to really 2487 01:45:25,109 --> 01:45:22,960 know much about 2488 01:45:26,390 --> 01:45:25,119 if if science has only been around about 2489 01:45:28,550 --> 01:45:26,400 300 years 2490 01:45:30,550 --> 01:45:28,560 but again they say that tied to the 2491 01:45:31,910 --> 01:45:30,560 procession cycle is this rise and fall 2492 01:45:35,510 --> 01:45:31,920 of the ages and 2493 01:45:38,709 --> 01:45:35,520 and i guess we all grew up uh 2494 01:45:39,830 --> 01:45:38,719 you know being taught about a dark age 2495 01:45:41,590 --> 01:45:39,840 and a golden age 2496 01:45:43,430 --> 01:45:41,600 it's just that we we're taught the dark 2497 01:45:44,470 --> 01:45:43,440 age is real and the golden age was just 2498 01:45:47,109 --> 01:45:44,480 a myth 2499 01:45:48,149 --> 01:45:47,119 and i i really think that you know the 2500 01:45:51,350 --> 01:45:48,159 more we 2501 01:45:53,350 --> 01:45:51,360 uh discover out there the more science 2502 01:45:54,870 --> 01:45:53,360 progresses the more it will harmonize 2503 01:45:56,390 --> 01:45:54,880 with religion and the more we will 2504 01:45:59,189 --> 01:45:56,400 realize that 2505 01:45:59,910 --> 01:45:59,199 indeed the long-lost golden age is is 2506 01:46:02,229 --> 01:45:59,920 not a myth 2507 01:46:03,350 --> 01:46:02,239 it's it was something very real and 2508 01:46:05,750 --> 01:46:03,360 something we have 2509 01:46:06,709 --> 01:46:05,760 to look forward to again in the future 2510 01:46:10,830 --> 01:46:06,719 do you think 2511 01:46:12,310 --> 01:46:10,840 that with different cultures around the 2512 01:46:15,430 --> 01:46:12,320 world uh 2513 01:46:18,470 --> 01:46:15,440 all of them all of them 2514 01:46:19,189 --> 01:46:18,480 spoke about other realms other places to 2515 01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:19,199 go to 2516 01:46:26,709 --> 01:46:23,440 other dimensions uh contact with that 2517 01:46:30,229 --> 01:46:26,719 and the understanding of that that 2518 01:46:33,950 --> 01:46:30,239 today when we talk about quantum physics 2519 01:46:37,350 --> 01:46:33,960 and and theoretical physics where the 2520 01:46:38,310 --> 01:46:37,360 presentation from science today speaks 2521 01:46:40,709 --> 01:46:38,320 of 2522 01:46:41,510 --> 01:46:40,719 extra dimensions and string theory and 2523 01:46:44,070 --> 01:46:41,520 of course 2524 01:46:45,109 --> 01:46:44,080 uh the multiverse and multi-world uh 2525 01:46:48,390 --> 01:46:45,119 theories 2526 01:46:51,030 --> 01:46:48,400 that this is exactly what 2527 01:46:51,669 --> 01:46:51,040 religions have been talking about in in 2528 01:46:56,470 --> 01:46:51,679 the past 2529 01:46:59,910 --> 01:46:58,870 i think so to some degree uh you know 2530 01:47:03,189 --> 01:46:59,920 there's a great 2531 01:47:05,350 --> 01:47:03,199 book on that topic um hamlet's mill 2532 01:47:06,629 --> 01:47:05,360 by giorgio de santiana and hertha 2533 01:47:10,149 --> 01:47:06,639 vandeshen 2534 01:47:11,990 --> 01:47:10,159 and you know they try to uh trace 2535 01:47:13,910 --> 01:47:12,000 uh these ancient cultures and their 2536 01:47:17,430 --> 01:47:13,920 knowledge of uh 2537 01:47:19,430 --> 01:47:17,440 astronomy and um they 2538 01:47:20,470 --> 01:47:19,440 they say that there's over 30 ancient 2539 01:47:23,830 --> 01:47:20,480 cultures that were 2540 01:47:26,950 --> 01:47:23,840 great sky watchers that 2541 01:47:30,709 --> 01:47:26,960 spoke about or referred to this 2542 01:47:33,669 --> 01:47:30,719 cycle of the ages and 2543 01:47:34,470 --> 01:47:33,679 yeah as they were writing about it 2544 01:47:36,070 --> 01:47:34,480 there's a 2545 01:47:38,070 --> 01:47:36,080 cute story at the beginning of the book 2546 01:47:40,950 --> 01:47:38,080 about hertha who's 2547 01:47:43,030 --> 01:47:40,960 just a brilliant scholar i think she she 2548 01:47:43,830 --> 01:47:43,040 started off as an anthropologist before 2549 01:47:46,790 --> 01:47:43,840 she 2550 01:47:48,870 --> 01:47:46,800 hooked up with giorgio who was professor 2551 01:47:52,550 --> 01:47:48,880 of the history of science 2552 01:47:56,390 --> 01:47:52,560 um and i think at mit 2553 01:47:59,189 --> 01:47:56,400 yeah but anyway she talks about 2554 01:48:01,350 --> 01:47:59,199 how she's trying to understand what 2555 01:48:02,709 --> 01:48:01,360 ancient cultures knew about astronomy 2556 01:48:04,550 --> 01:48:02,719 because it 2557 01:48:06,310 --> 01:48:04,560 at first they're just trying to discover 2558 01:48:08,709 --> 01:48:06,320 where science came from 2559 01:48:09,910 --> 01:48:08,719 uh and they think well early people must 2560 01:48:11,510 --> 01:48:09,920 have been counting 2561 01:48:13,030 --> 01:48:11,520 and if they were counting they probably 2562 01:48:15,750 --> 01:48:13,040 started with things like 2563 01:48:17,189 --> 01:48:15,760 stars and constellations so we better 2564 01:48:19,910 --> 01:48:17,199 understand all this 2565 01:48:21,830 --> 01:48:19,920 mythology that seems to have something 2566 01:48:25,109 --> 01:48:21,840 to do with the stars 2567 01:48:28,229 --> 01:48:25,119 and she said she was studying the 2568 01:48:28,790 --> 01:48:28,239 uh pollination myth and she'd read like 2569 01:48:31,750 --> 01:48:28,800 10 2570 01:48:33,030 --> 01:48:31,760 000 pages and she was completely 2571 01:48:36,390 --> 01:48:33,040 befuddled 2572 01:48:39,270 --> 01:48:36,400 until she realized that it's uh 2573 01:48:41,430 --> 01:48:39,280 they're using the sky as a as a 2574 01:48:45,350 --> 01:48:41,440 framework to talk about 2575 01:48:46,070 --> 01:48:45,360 uh you know literally long periods of 2576 01:48:50,310 --> 01:48:46,080 time 2577 01:48:53,590 --> 01:48:50,320 and and events and so when you know 2578 01:48:56,149 --> 01:48:53,600 when the god jupiter fights with 2579 01:48:57,669 --> 01:48:56,159 the great bull in the sky you know it's 2580 01:49:01,430 --> 01:48:57,679 it's the planet jupiter 2581 01:49:04,790 --> 01:49:01,440 intersecting taurus and uh 2582 01:49:05,350 --> 01:49:04,800 you know the the myth itself can tell 2583 01:49:07,510 --> 01:49:05,360 you 2584 01:49:08,629 --> 01:49:07,520 uh when it happened and where it 2585 01:49:11,750 --> 01:49:08,639 happened 2586 01:49:12,310 --> 01:49:11,760 and and so yeah they they basically came 2587 01:49:16,229 --> 01:49:12,320 to the 2588 01:49:19,430 --> 01:49:16,239 conclusion that uh that 2589 01:49:22,629 --> 01:49:19,440 ancient cultures had their own 2590 01:49:26,229 --> 01:49:22,639 uh sir isaac newtons and 2591 01:49:29,430 --> 01:49:26,239 uh kepler's aristotle's etc 2592 01:49:30,310 --> 01:49:29,440 and and we sort of denigrate them 2593 01:49:33,430 --> 01:49:30,320 because this 2594 01:49:37,109 --> 01:49:33,440 this idea of evolution has become 2595 01:49:38,950 --> 01:49:37,119 so ingrained it kind of says to us 2596 01:49:40,830 --> 01:49:38,960 well anything that came before us must 2597 01:49:44,229 --> 01:49:40,840 be more primitive 2598 01:49:47,750 --> 01:49:44,239 um and so we've again we've we've really 2599 01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:47,760 lost sight of of our 2600 01:49:51,189 --> 01:49:49,920 ancient beautiful past and i think when 2601 01:49:54,629 --> 01:49:51,199 we try to 2602 01:49:57,669 --> 01:49:54,639 start to treat evolution and darwin 2603 01:49:58,870 --> 01:49:57,679 a little more gently that we gain a lot 2604 01:50:01,430 --> 01:49:58,880 of knowledge 2605 01:50:02,149 --> 01:50:01,440 uh about our own past and that can help 2606 01:50:06,550 --> 01:50:02,159 us 2607 01:50:08,149 --> 01:50:06,560 through some tough times and and so did 2608 01:50:09,350 --> 01:50:08,159 many other cultures so we should learn 2609 01:50:10,580 --> 01:50:09,360 from them 2610 01:50:12,790 --> 01:50:10,590 when uh 2611 01:50:16,950 --> 01:50:12,800 [Music] 2612 01:50:19,510 --> 01:50:16,960 when we look at when we look at the past 2613 01:50:21,589 --> 01:50:19,520 and we just brought up edwin uh hubble 2614 01:50:23,589 --> 01:50:21,599 and what happened in 1922 that was a 2615 01:50:24,390 --> 01:50:23,599 revolutionary event and if we think 2616 01:50:26,310 --> 01:50:24,400 about 2617 01:50:28,310 --> 01:50:26,320 all of the knowledge that was acquired 2618 01:50:30,070 --> 01:50:28,320 before then we're talking about a static 2619 01:50:32,870 --> 01:50:30,080 universe but static 2620 01:50:34,629 --> 01:50:32,880 was science in general right it was very 2621 01:50:36,390 --> 01:50:34,639 hard to push and shove 2622 01:50:37,669 --> 01:50:36,400 your way through we didn't know a whole 2623 01:50:41,669 --> 01:50:37,679 lot but 2624 01:50:46,229 --> 01:50:41,679 hubble's name comes up again 2625 01:50:50,310 --> 01:50:46,239 when the first images came in 2626 01:50:53,830 --> 01:50:50,320 uh from the hubble telescope 2627 01:50:57,350 --> 01:50:53,840 which if we think about it 2628 01:50:58,870 --> 01:50:57,360 was probably more important those first 2629 01:51:01,910 --> 01:50:58,880 images from hubble 2630 01:51:04,229 --> 01:51:01,920 than what hubble did in 1922 2631 01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:04,239 and maybe the most important image in 2632 01:51:09,669 --> 01:51:06,480 the history of man when you 2633 01:51:11,990 --> 01:51:09,679 first saw uh hubble's uh 2634 01:51:16,470 --> 01:51:12,000 the hubble telescopes uh first images 2635 01:51:16,480 --> 01:51:19,669 well 2636 01:51:24,310 --> 01:51:22,709 you know obviously a sense of awe but 2637 01:51:26,629 --> 01:51:24,320 to paint this picture a little more 2638 01:51:28,550 --> 01:51:26,639 clearly they had been using the 2639 01:51:29,750 --> 01:51:28,560 hubble telescope for all sorts of 2640 01:51:32,470 --> 01:51:29,760 purposes 2641 01:51:33,430 --> 01:51:32,480 uh but it was a very valuable resource 2642 01:51:35,589 --> 01:51:33,440 and so they didn't 2643 01:51:36,950 --> 01:51:35,599 spend that much time looking at any one 2644 01:51:39,669 --> 01:51:36,960 object and they looked 2645 01:51:40,950 --> 01:51:39,679 at planets and and distant galaxies and 2646 01:51:43,109 --> 01:51:40,960 that sort of thing 2647 01:51:45,669 --> 01:51:43,119 uh but what i thought was the most 2648 01:51:47,510 --> 01:51:45,679 interesting picture was the uh 2649 01:51:49,589 --> 01:51:47,520 what do they call it the far field yeah 2650 01:51:52,229 --> 01:51:49,599 the deep field deep field 2651 01:51:54,470 --> 01:51:52,239 the deep deep field yeah so they they 2652 01:51:58,470 --> 01:51:54,480 took a part of the sky 2653 01:52:00,550 --> 01:51:58,480 where it's just as black as black can be 2654 01:52:02,870 --> 01:52:00,560 and then they zeroed in on that and 2655 01:52:04,950 --> 01:52:02,880 eliminated any stars they could see 2656 01:52:07,430 --> 01:52:04,960 to find the blackest part of that black 2657 01:52:12,870 --> 01:52:07,440 part of the sky and it happens to be 2658 01:52:15,589 --> 01:52:12,880 up in i think part of the big dipper 2659 01:52:16,709 --> 01:52:15,599 and then they they did something that 2660 01:52:19,589 --> 01:52:16,719 other scientists 2661 01:52:20,070 --> 01:52:19,599 argued against and that was they held 2662 01:52:23,669 --> 01:52:20,080 the 2663 01:52:27,189 --> 01:52:23,679 forty hours 2664 01:52:30,390 --> 01:52:27,199 yeah two weeks um yeah two weeks yeah 2665 01:52:33,189 --> 01:52:30,400 yeah and so they uh you know 2666 01:52:33,910 --> 01:52:33,199 these these light uh particles these 2667 01:52:37,109 --> 01:52:33,920 photons 2668 01:52:40,070 --> 01:52:37,119 come in very slowly from very 2669 01:52:41,109 --> 01:52:40,080 distant objects i i once went with jeff 2670 01:52:43,750 --> 01:52:41,119 marcy up to 2671 01:52:44,870 --> 01:52:43,760 uh the keck telescope on the big island 2672 01:52:47,750 --> 01:52:44,880 of hawaii 2673 01:52:48,790 --> 01:52:47,760 and he was looking for you know 2674 01:52:51,030 --> 01:52:48,800 exoplanets 2675 01:52:51,990 --> 01:52:51,040 around other stars and the way they do 2676 01:52:54,470 --> 01:52:52,000 it is they 2677 01:52:56,830 --> 01:52:54,480 they look at these distant stars and 2678 01:52:59,669 --> 01:52:56,840 then see if there's anything that 2679 01:53:01,270 --> 01:52:59,679 slightly decreases the amount of photons 2680 01:53:03,030 --> 01:53:01,280 you're getting and some of these stars 2681 01:53:05,189 --> 01:53:03,040 are way out there and so they're only 2682 01:53:07,510 --> 01:53:05,199 getting a few photons to begin with 2683 01:53:09,109 --> 01:53:07,520 but imagine how few photons you get from 2684 01:53:10,790 --> 01:53:09,119 a very distant galaxy 2685 01:53:13,350 --> 01:53:10,800 but anyway they held it there long 2686 01:53:14,790 --> 01:53:13,360 enough to build these photons up and 2687 01:53:15,990 --> 01:53:14,800 then when of course they looked at the 2688 01:53:19,109 --> 01:53:16,000 picture 2689 01:53:21,270 --> 01:53:19,119 everybody's mind was blown 2690 01:53:22,629 --> 01:53:21,280 i think you know in a in a size of the 2691 01:53:25,270 --> 01:53:22,639 sky i think it's 2692 01:53:25,990 --> 01:53:25,280 what is it like one 30 millionth of the 2693 01:53:29,270 --> 01:53:26,000 sky something 2694 01:53:32,790 --> 01:53:29,280 like that it would it'd be a very thin 2695 01:53:37,270 --> 01:53:36,149 they found with it over 3 000 galaxies 2696 01:53:39,109 --> 01:53:37,280 on the first 2697 01:53:41,109 --> 01:53:39,119 take and then something like on the 2698 01:53:43,270 --> 01:53:41,119 ultra deep field i think they found over 2699 01:53:46,390 --> 01:53:43,280 5000 galaxies that's right 2700 01:53:47,990 --> 01:53:46,400 and and and this is what is 2701 01:53:50,629 --> 01:53:48,000 uh amazing about that i've done 2702 01:53:52,550 --> 01:53:50,639 presentations on on the deep field and 2703 01:53:56,870 --> 01:53:52,560 the ultra deep field 2704 01:53:59,350 --> 01:53:56,880 when they okay they already had 2705 01:54:00,629 --> 01:53:59,360 in the the part of the sky that they 2706 01:54:03,669 --> 01:54:00,639 were looking at 2707 01:54:04,310 --> 01:54:03,679 that there was 50 000 galaxies in the in 2708 01:54:06,790 --> 01:54:04,320 the field 2709 01:54:08,390 --> 01:54:06,800 of view right and that that's 2710 01:54:10,229 --> 01:54:08,400 extraordinary enough 2711 01:54:11,750 --> 01:54:10,239 but then they're looking and they go 2712 01:54:14,950 --> 01:54:11,760 okay what is 2713 01:54:18,070 --> 01:54:14,960 the uh what is the most 2714 01:54:21,109 --> 01:54:18,080 uh uninteresting uh 2715 01:54:22,550 --> 01:54:21,119 slice of this picture what is okay well 2716 01:54:25,990 --> 01:54:22,560 it's right here 2717 01:54:26,390 --> 01:54:26,000 okay there's nothing here so let's focus 2718 01:54:30,790 --> 01:54:26,400 on 2719 01:54:33,109 --> 01:54:30,800 around us 2720 01:54:34,870 --> 01:54:33,119 and that's interesting enough they go 2721 01:54:37,350 --> 01:54:34,880 and they focus for two weeks 2722 01:54:38,550 --> 01:54:37,360 on a little pin prick in the middle of 2723 01:54:40,470 --> 01:54:38,560 this image 2724 01:54:42,709 --> 01:54:40,480 and they come up with the deep field 2725 01:54:45,510 --> 01:54:42,719 which looked identical 2726 01:54:46,550 --> 01:54:45,520 to the image that they already had but 2727 01:54:48,709 --> 01:54:46,560 it was just 2728 01:54:50,149 --> 01:54:48,719 and then they went deeper into that with 2729 01:54:53,350 --> 01:54:50,159 the ultra deep field 2730 01:54:57,510 --> 01:54:53,360 uh which is it was um 2731 01:54:59,990 --> 01:54:57,520 to me uh it's it's fun to look at 2732 01:55:01,830 --> 01:55:00,000 but each one of those galaxies and all 2733 01:55:05,030 --> 01:55:01,840 three of those images 2734 01:55:08,149 --> 01:55:05,040 has 500 billion stars in it 2735 01:55:09,430 --> 01:55:08,159 each one right and it continues and it 2736 01:55:12,790 --> 01:55:09,440 continues 2737 01:55:19,669 --> 01:55:12,800 continue 2738 01:55:23,189 --> 01:55:19,679 extraordinary big big moment in history 2739 01:55:24,870 --> 01:55:23,199 very much so and i can 2740 01:55:26,790 --> 01:55:24,880 you know i can only imagine what they'd 2741 01:55:29,030 --> 01:55:26,800 see if they looked for a thousand hours 2742 01:55:29,830 --> 01:55:29,040 or two thousand hours or ten thousand 2743 01:55:31,189 --> 01:55:29,840 hours 2744 01:55:33,030 --> 01:55:31,199 they'd probably just keep showing up 2745 01:55:35,750 --> 01:55:33,040 more and to me it 2746 01:55:37,750 --> 01:55:35,760 kind of raises uh again a sort of a 2747 01:55:40,070 --> 01:55:37,760 spiritual question so 2748 01:55:40,790 --> 01:55:40,080 you look at the darkest part of the sky 2749 01:55:43,830 --> 01:55:40,800 at 2750 01:55:44,709 --> 01:55:43,840 literally nothing and if you look long 2751 01:55:47,669 --> 01:55:44,719 enough 2752 01:55:48,229 --> 01:55:47,679 uh it it reveals this incredible beauty 2753 01:55:53,669 --> 01:55:48,239 and 2754 01:55:55,030 --> 01:55:53,679 just shows you how amazing this universe 2755 01:55:57,189 --> 01:55:55,040 is when uh 2756 01:55:58,070 --> 01:55:57,199 uh we keep going back to the spiritual 2757 01:55:59,669 --> 01:55:58,080 side of things 2758 01:56:01,430 --> 01:55:59,679 and uh we're gonna head towards a break 2759 01:56:04,390 --> 01:56:01,440 right here but 2760 01:56:06,550 --> 01:56:04,400 from a philosophical point of view 2761 01:56:11,510 --> 01:56:06,560 putting science aside 2762 01:56:16,709 --> 01:56:11,520 um how does the transition happen 2763 01:56:19,430 --> 01:56:16,719 from a particle any particle 2764 01:56:20,790 --> 01:56:19,440 how does that go from combining 2765 01:56:25,350 --> 01:56:20,800 particles 2766 01:56:28,470 --> 01:56:25,360 into you and i enjoying chocolate cake 2767 01:56:31,910 --> 01:56:28,480 right that doesn't it's a very 2768 01:56:35,189 --> 01:56:31,920 tough thing but we've been 2769 01:56:36,870 --> 01:56:35,199 contemplating this for eons but but how 2770 01:56:39,750 --> 01:56:36,880 does that transition take place for 2771 01:56:43,669 --> 01:56:42,070 well it raises a question of who we are 2772 01:56:47,990 --> 01:56:43,679 and what we are 2773 01:56:49,990 --> 01:56:48,000 and and what is what is god and you know 2774 01:56:51,830 --> 01:56:50,000 and is is it actually indeed separate 2775 01:56:55,910 --> 01:56:51,840 than what we are 2776 01:56:57,910 --> 01:56:55,920 um but all you know i i don't even think 2777 01:56:58,310 --> 01:56:57,920 we can describe it in scientific terms 2778 01:57:00,550 --> 01:56:58,320 uh 2779 01:57:01,910 --> 01:57:00,560 i've heard it described in poetic terms 2780 01:57:05,589 --> 01:57:01,920 that you know 2781 01:57:06,550 --> 01:57:05,599 that that the creator was curious and so 2782 01:57:16,629 --> 01:57:06,560 he 2783 01:57:19,990 --> 01:57:16,639 around 2784 01:57:22,870 --> 01:57:20,000 and uh and became animals 2785 01:57:23,589 --> 01:57:22,880 and and then he wanted to understand 2786 01:57:26,790 --> 01:57:23,599 himself 2787 01:57:28,870 --> 01:57:26,800 and he became man and uh 2788 01:57:30,229 --> 01:57:28,880 yeah we're at a journey what a journey 2789 01:57:33,270 --> 01:57:30,239 it's all related 2790 01:57:36,629 --> 01:57:33,280 to 2791 01:57:39,669 --> 01:57:36,639 evolution in my opinion well uh 2792 01:57:43,030 --> 01:57:39,679 the closest uh i've 2793 01:57:44,470 --> 01:57:43,040 heard any brian greene i speak about 2794 01:57:46,149 --> 01:57:44,480 brian green a lot because 2795 01:57:48,149 --> 01:57:46,159 uh you know i read his stuff and i 2796 01:57:50,470 --> 01:57:48,159 listen to all his presentations and all 2797 01:57:54,310 --> 01:57:50,480 of his interviews all his tv shows 2798 01:58:00,310 --> 01:57:54,320 uh multiple times uh my wife rita 2799 01:58:04,870 --> 01:58:03,109 uh i've listened to more to brian greene 2800 01:58:07,589 --> 01:58:04,880 than i did 2801 01:58:09,350 --> 01:58:07,599 kiss albums when i was 15 just to put it 2802 01:58:12,629 --> 01:58:09,360 into perspective for you 2803 01:58:16,790 --> 01:58:12,639 so the uh but he said 2804 01:58:20,470 --> 01:58:16,800 that he believes that it is possible 2805 01:58:23,830 --> 01:58:20,480 that every particle every 2806 01:58:27,750 --> 01:58:23,840 the smallest of the small has a tiny 2807 01:58:31,430 --> 01:58:27,760 bit of consciousness to it 2808 01:58:33,830 --> 01:58:31,440 and the more that you amass then 2809 01:58:34,790 --> 01:58:33,840 consciousness accumulates and becomes 2810 01:58:37,830 --> 01:58:34,800 bigger 2811 01:58:39,830 --> 01:58:37,840 and that's why it with our brains with 2812 01:58:40,950 --> 01:58:39,840 all the trillions of connections and 2813 01:58:44,229 --> 01:58:40,960 neurons 2814 01:58:50,390 --> 01:58:44,239 that um consciousness 2815 01:58:54,149 --> 01:58:53,589 yeah it's like uh some scientists are 2816 01:58:56,870 --> 01:58:54,159 coming 2817 01:58:57,830 --> 01:58:56,880 back around to the to the hoary vedas 2818 01:59:02,470 --> 01:58:57,840 you know which 2819 01:59:06,470 --> 01:59:02,480 which basically tell us that you know 2820 01:59:08,950 --> 01:59:06,480 god is omnipresent omniscient omnipotent 2821 01:59:09,589 --> 01:59:08,960 existing everywhere in all things 2822 01:59:13,430 --> 01:59:09,599 therefore 2823 01:59:16,149 --> 01:59:13,440 all things must have some consciousness 2824 01:59:17,669 --> 01:59:16,159 and of course we feel we're very 2825 01:59:18,950 --> 01:59:17,679 separate from that right now and that 2826 01:59:21,270 --> 01:59:18,960 allows us to 2827 01:59:22,229 --> 01:59:21,280 to talk and communicate ideas back and 2828 01:59:25,030 --> 01:59:22,239 forth 2829 01:59:25,750 --> 01:59:25,040 but i wonder if brian green and and the 2830 01:59:31,669 --> 01:59:25,760 great 2831 01:59:34,629 --> 01:59:31,679 vedic yogi's art are telling the truth 2832 01:59:36,149 --> 01:59:34,639 he would man he would blow a gasket if 2833 01:59:37,350 --> 01:59:36,159 he heard you and i talking like this 2834 01:59:40,550 --> 01:59:37,360 about him 2835 01:59:44,390 --> 01:59:40,560 no no no that's not what i meant no 2836 01:59:47,750 --> 01:59:44,400 was just talking about chemistry 2837 01:59:50,390 --> 01:59:47,760 oh no no no no i didn't even imply 2838 01:59:52,070 --> 01:59:50,400 a spiritual twist to this this is fade 2839 01:59:54,310 --> 01:59:52,080 to black i'm yours jimmy church 2840 01:59:56,149 --> 01:59:54,320 the one and only walter cruttenden more 2841 01:59:59,109 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fade to black because you never got 2936 02:03:45,830 --> 02:03:43,599 that pony 2937 02:03:48,149 --> 02:03:45,840 this is fade to black with jimmy church 2938 02:03:57,680 --> 02:03:48,159 on the game changer radio network 2939 02:04:04,950 --> 02:03:57,690 and kgra the global radio alliance 2940 02:04:06,310 --> 02:04:04,960 [Music] 2941 02:04:07,830 --> 02:04:06,320 welcome back fade to black i'm your host 2942 02:04:09,430 --> 02:04:07,840 jimmy church our guest tonight walter 2943 02:04:12,069 --> 02:04:09,440 cruttenden 2944 02:04:14,629 --> 02:04:12,079 on the game changer network and kg r a 2945 02:04:18,950 --> 02:04:14,639 the planet you can follow me on twitter 2946 02:04:23,189 --> 02:04:18,960 at j church radio and 2947 02:04:26,790 --> 02:04:25,270 you know i'm not tweeting right now yeah 2948 02:04:29,669 --> 02:04:26,800 i i looked for it 2949 02:04:32,149 --> 02:04:29,679 and i just wanted to make sure that we 2950 02:04:33,910 --> 02:04:32,159 were correct 2951 02:04:35,669 --> 02:04:33,920 there were just there's so many things 2952 02:04:39,629 --> 02:04:35,679 to do in this life 2953 02:04:42,310 --> 02:04:39,639 um but most of our work is at uh 2954 02:04:44,390 --> 02:04:42,320 binaryresearchinstitute.com um 2955 02:04:45,669 --> 02:04:44,400 well i found it there yeah and i don't 2956 02:04:46,629 --> 02:04:45,679 know if you know this walter but 2957 02:04:50,470 --> 02:04:46,639 twitter's gonna be 2958 02:04:52,790 --> 02:04:50,480 big it's gonna be big one day 2959 02:04:54,310 --> 02:04:52,800 you might yeah you might want to get in 2960 02:04:58,470 --> 02:04:54,320 early you might want to 2961 02:05:00,550 --> 02:04:58,480 jump now um and speaking of the binary 2962 02:05:01,430 --> 02:05:00,560 research institute okay and talking 2963 02:05:04,950 --> 02:05:01,440 about 2964 02:05:08,229 --> 02:05:04,960 uh science being one string of 2965 02:05:09,030 --> 02:05:08,239 corrections uh which uh it needs to be 2966 02:05:11,270 --> 02:05:09,040 that way 2967 02:05:12,149 --> 02:05:11,280 everything from the past has been 2968 02:05:15,189 --> 02:05:12,159 changed 2969 02:05:18,550 --> 02:05:15,199 uh to where we are today um and 2970 02:05:20,550 --> 02:05:18,560 not to um 2971 02:05:23,350 --> 02:05:20,560 not to present i don't want you to be 2972 02:05:26,790 --> 02:05:23,360 uncomfortable with what i'm about to say 2973 02:05:28,470 --> 02:05:26,800 a lot of your research uh that you have 2974 02:05:31,750 --> 02:05:28,480 been presenting 2975 02:05:35,109 --> 02:05:31,760 uh fairly aggressively um 2976 02:05:35,589 --> 02:05:35,119 is now starting to become part of the 2977 02:05:38,470 --> 02:05:35,599 norm 2978 02:05:40,069 --> 02:05:38,480 and part of the conversation binary star 2979 02:05:42,709 --> 02:05:40,079 systems two stars 2980 02:05:43,189 --> 02:05:42,719 we may have and should have a second 2981 02:05:44,950 --> 02:05:43,199 star 2982 02:05:46,950 --> 02:05:44,960 here in our solar system these are 2983 02:05:50,950 --> 02:05:46,960 concepts that were 2984 02:05:53,350 --> 02:05:50,960 fought and fought and now 2985 02:05:54,149 --> 02:05:53,360 cosmologists out there and astronomers 2986 02:05:57,589 --> 02:05:54,159 are finding 2987 02:06:00,149 --> 02:05:57,599 many many binary star systems out there 2988 02:06:04,149 --> 02:06:00,159 and they're starting to say 2989 02:06:06,390 --> 02:06:04,159 uh that maybe yeah most star systems are 2990 02:06:09,750 --> 02:06:06,400 binary and they have uh two stars 2991 02:06:10,149 --> 02:06:09,760 with planets that orbit them uh do you 2992 02:06:13,430 --> 02:06:10,159 think 2993 02:06:14,149 --> 02:06:13,440 this is part of your work or did were 2994 02:06:18,390 --> 02:06:14,159 they gonna 2995 02:06:20,950 --> 02:06:18,400 land this in in this direction anyway 2996 02:06:22,629 --> 02:06:20,960 oh i think things were going in that 2997 02:06:24,629 --> 02:06:22,639 direction since uh 2998 02:06:27,270 --> 02:06:24,639 you know people thought they were double 2999 02:06:28,830 --> 02:06:27,280 stars 150 years ago and then 3000 02:06:31,270 --> 02:06:28,840 a couple hundred years ago and then 3001 02:06:31,669 --> 02:06:31,280 telescopes uh with enough strength came 3002 02:06:34,229 --> 02:06:31,679 around 3003 02:06:34,790 --> 02:06:34,239 and a long enough observation period to 3004 02:06:37,830 --> 02:06:34,800 they could 3005 02:06:39,189 --> 02:06:37,840 see oh those stars seem to be orbiting 3006 02:06:41,910 --> 02:06:39,199 each other so 3007 02:06:43,350 --> 02:06:41,920 uh but you're right the quantity the the 3008 02:06:45,990 --> 02:06:43,360 percentage 3009 02:06:47,109 --> 02:06:46,000 was always thought to be low and that's 3010 02:06:49,109 --> 02:06:47,119 a number that 3011 02:06:50,470 --> 02:06:49,119 is in conformity with the points you 3012 02:06:51,030 --> 02:06:50,480 brought up at the very beginning of the 3013 02:06:54,550 --> 02:06:51,040 show 3014 02:06:55,750 --> 02:06:54,560 that everything's increasing and so yeah 3015 02:06:58,390 --> 02:06:55,760 it seems that 3016 02:06:59,910 --> 02:06:58,400 uh especially when you now account for 3017 02:07:03,350 --> 02:06:59,920 brown dwarfs it 3018 02:07:06,470 --> 02:07:03,360 uh stars like companions 3019 02:07:09,910 --> 02:07:06,480 just as much as people do you know 3020 02:07:11,910 --> 02:07:09,920 and if if your last point is is has some 3021 02:07:13,109 --> 02:07:11,920 merit to it that you know everything is 3022 02:07:15,430 --> 02:07:13,119 conscious 3023 02:07:16,790 --> 02:07:15,440 maybe there's you know a relationship 3024 02:07:19,750 --> 02:07:16,800 going on there 3025 02:07:21,830 --> 02:07:19,760 uh and of course it's a gravitational 3026 02:07:23,669 --> 02:07:21,840 relationship the way we look at it 3027 02:07:24,870 --> 02:07:23,679 but maybe it's much deeper than we think 3028 02:07:28,069 --> 02:07:24,880 we um 3029 02:07:31,750 --> 02:07:28,079 who was the uh the great scientist 3030 02:07:35,189 --> 02:07:31,760 that uh i think he won the uh 3031 02:07:38,629 --> 02:07:35,199 nobel prize for for plasma physics 3032 02:07:41,990 --> 02:07:38,639 elfin yes yes yes yes 3033 02:07:44,390 --> 02:07:42,000 he said yeah that uh 3034 02:07:46,069 --> 02:07:44,400 stars actually communicate with each 3035 02:07:49,830 --> 02:07:46,079 other through long 3036 02:07:52,950 --> 02:07:49,840 plasma strings so they're basically 3037 02:07:55,750 --> 02:07:52,960 uh you know shooting out 3038 02:07:56,390 --> 02:07:55,760 huge amounts of plasma we know our sun 3039 02:07:58,950 --> 02:07:56,400 does this 3040 02:07:59,510 --> 02:07:58,960 of course because it affects earth uh 3041 02:08:02,790 --> 02:07:59,520 but 3042 02:08:03,990 --> 02:08:02,800 um that you know it just just continues 3043 02:08:05,750 --> 02:08:04,000 out there and so he 3044 02:08:07,750 --> 02:08:05,760 he kind of implied that that's the way 3045 02:08:10,870 --> 02:08:07,760 that stars 3046 02:08:14,229 --> 02:08:10,880 isn't that a beautiful thought it is and 3047 02:08:17,270 --> 02:08:14,239 uh there is uh uh 3048 02:08:20,950 --> 02:08:17,280 for me when we start to uh 3049 02:08:24,550 --> 02:08:20,960 to take this a step further is is this 3050 02:08:25,910 --> 02:08:24,560 we know now and i i can't wait to hear 3051 02:08:30,310 --> 02:08:25,920 your thoughts on this 3052 02:08:34,550 --> 02:08:30,320 we know now that the that our sun isn't 3053 02:08:37,990 --> 02:08:34,560 actually at the center uh a constant 3054 02:08:41,589 --> 02:08:38,000 of our solar system that it 3055 02:08:44,629 --> 02:08:41,599 its center its gravitational center 3056 02:08:48,149 --> 02:08:44,639 is moving right 3057 02:08:48,709 --> 02:08:48,159 it appears to be affected by something 3058 02:08:52,229 --> 02:08:48,719 else 3059 02:08:55,830 --> 02:08:52,239 out there i don't know if it's jupiter 3060 02:08:59,270 --> 02:08:55,840 is jupiter have a strong enough pull um 3061 02:09:01,990 --> 02:08:59,280 that if we look at the orbits of all of 3062 02:09:03,030 --> 02:09:02,000 our planets in our solar system that 3063 02:09:05,990 --> 02:09:03,040 they are not 3064 02:09:07,189 --> 02:09:06,000 orbiting necessarily the sun that 3065 02:09:10,950 --> 02:09:07,199 they're orbiting 3066 02:09:12,950 --> 02:09:10,960 a center that is gravitationally 3067 02:09:17,189 --> 02:09:12,960 something else 3068 02:09:20,229 --> 02:09:19,270 uh yeah so there's this concept of a 3069 02:09:24,069 --> 02:09:20,239 berry center 3070 02:09:27,030 --> 02:09:24,079 uh which is um you know 3071 02:09:28,069 --> 02:09:27,040 the gravitational center of our solar 3072 02:09:31,430 --> 02:09:28,079 system 3073 02:09:33,910 --> 02:09:31,440 um and but it's it's mostly imputed so 3074 02:09:34,470 --> 02:09:33,920 yes when it's was believed that there's 3075 02:09:37,430 --> 02:09:34,480 uh 3076 02:09:39,750 --> 02:09:37,440 the only big thing out there is is 3077 02:09:43,030 --> 02:09:39,760 jupiter 3078 02:09:44,950 --> 02:09:43,040 it's it's imputed that the very center 3079 02:09:46,069 --> 02:09:44,960 of the sun is somewhere near the edge of 3080 02:09:49,750 --> 02:09:46,079 the sun 3081 02:09:50,390 --> 02:09:49,760 facing jupiter and so that would be sort 3082 02:09:53,510 --> 02:09:50,400 of the 3083 02:09:55,669 --> 02:09:53,520 equal point and and you know 3084 02:09:57,510 --> 02:09:55,679 any two gravitationally bound objects 3085 02:10:02,149 --> 02:09:57,520 have a have a berry center 3086 02:10:04,229 --> 02:10:02,159 or a common center of mass and so 3087 02:10:05,830 --> 02:10:04,239 just talking about binary stars so if 3088 02:10:08,470 --> 02:10:05,840 you have one that's 3089 02:10:08,870 --> 02:10:08,480 you know two solar masses and one that's 3090 02:10:11,109 --> 02:10:08,880 one 3091 02:10:12,550 --> 02:10:11,119 solar mass the berry center will be 3092 02:10:16,149 --> 02:10:12,560 closer to the 3093 02:10:19,830 --> 02:10:16,159 heavier one of course 3094 02:10:22,550 --> 02:10:19,840 and so yeah as they find 3095 02:10:23,030 --> 02:10:22,560 more objects in the solar system which 3096 02:10:26,870 --> 02:10:23,040 they are 3097 02:10:28,950 --> 02:10:26,880 doing they it leads them to 3098 02:10:30,390 --> 02:10:28,960 sort of recalculate where the barrier 3099 02:10:32,229 --> 02:10:30,400 center might be but 3100 02:10:33,430 --> 02:10:32,239 what's what's really interesting about 3101 02:10:36,310 --> 02:10:33,440 this in 3102 02:10:37,510 --> 02:10:36,320 in my opinion is that and we talked 3103 02:10:39,270 --> 02:10:37,520 about this a little at the beginning 3104 02:10:42,390 --> 02:10:39,280 that the entire 3105 02:10:44,310 --> 02:10:42,400 uh solar system is is being tilted a 3106 02:10:47,350 --> 02:10:44,320 little bit towards the southwest 3107 02:10:49,910 --> 02:10:47,360 and we know that by all these exo 3108 02:10:50,629 --> 02:10:49,920 uh i'm sorry these uh dwarf planets 3109 02:10:57,189 --> 02:10:50,639 they're 3110 02:11:01,189 --> 02:10:57,199 roughly 17 degrees to the plane right 3111 02:11:04,229 --> 02:11:01,199 by biden sedna all these others 3112 02:11:06,950 --> 02:11:04,239 uh are in a similar uh 3113 02:11:08,229 --> 02:11:06,960 inclination and and they're all sort of 3114 02:11:10,950 --> 02:11:08,239 pointing out 3115 02:11:12,229 --> 02:11:10,960 uh towards a direction and that uh 3116 02:11:14,629 --> 02:11:12,239 towards 3117 02:11:16,629 --> 02:11:14,639 somewhere between sirius and orion and 3118 02:11:17,830 --> 02:11:16,639 that is where the search is on for the 3119 02:11:20,310 --> 02:11:17,840 ninth planet 3120 02:11:21,830 --> 02:11:20,320 this other big mass that must be 3121 02:11:25,189 --> 02:11:21,840 affecting 3122 02:11:27,830 --> 02:11:25,199 our planet you know when i was on 3123 02:11:28,550 --> 02:11:27,840 on the commercial i listened i think it 3124 02:11:31,510 --> 02:11:28,560 was some surf 3125 02:11:32,950 --> 02:11:31,520 music i really liked um and it reminds 3126 02:11:35,270 --> 02:11:32,960 me when i was going to 3127 02:11:36,310 --> 02:11:35,280 to the beach a lot when i was a kid you 3128 02:11:38,310 --> 02:11:36,320 know we'd come down 3129 02:11:41,589 --> 02:11:38,320 after a storm and we see the entire 3130 02:11:43,350 --> 02:11:41,599 beach is rearranged 3131 02:11:45,510 --> 02:11:43,360 and i'd read about that storm and i'd 3132 02:11:46,950 --> 02:11:45,520 hear that that storm was off new zealand 3133 02:11:48,629 --> 02:11:46,960 or australia or something 3134 02:11:50,790 --> 02:11:48,639 and the waves traveled all this way 3135 02:11:51,669 --> 02:11:50,800 across the ocean and rearranged our 3136 02:11:54,069 --> 02:11:51,679 beaches 3137 02:11:55,109 --> 02:11:54,079 that is what is happening to our solar 3138 02:11:58,310 --> 02:11:55,119 system 3139 02:11:59,589 --> 02:11:58,320 something very far out there very 3140 02:12:02,790 --> 02:11:59,599 massive 3141 02:12:05,910 --> 02:12:02,800 is moving and affecting uh 3142 02:12:08,310 --> 02:12:05,920 and rearranging our dwarf planets into a 3143 02:12:11,510 --> 02:12:08,320 certain shape a certain pattern 3144 02:12:13,350 --> 02:12:11,520 that can it's a signature of some 3145 02:12:14,709 --> 02:12:13,360 massive object that 3146 02:12:16,790 --> 02:12:14,719 you know many astronomers are looking 3147 02:12:18,550 --> 02:12:16,800 for right now are you in communication 3148 02:12:21,589 --> 02:12:18,560 with mike brown 3149 02:12:24,709 --> 02:12:21,599 from caltech yeah 3150 02:12:25,750 --> 02:12:24,719 no not regularly i you know dropped him 3151 02:12:30,629 --> 02:12:25,760 an email 3152 02:12:33,669 --> 02:12:30,639 um and uh read much of his stuff 3153 02:12:37,270 --> 02:12:33,679 what was his book how i killed 3154 02:12:38,870 --> 02:12:37,280 pluto and why it had it coming 3155 02:12:40,390 --> 02:12:38,880 which he wrote because he started 3156 02:12:43,510 --> 02:12:40,400 finding all these uh 3157 02:12:44,470 --> 02:12:43,520 dwarf planets and of course at that time 3158 02:12:46,950 --> 02:12:44,480 he wasn't 3159 02:12:47,990 --> 02:12:46,960 seeing any pattern in the dwarf planets 3160 02:12:51,669 --> 02:12:48,000 just said oh there's a lot 3161 02:12:52,870 --> 02:12:51,679 of you know tnos trans-neptunian objects 3162 02:12:55,270 --> 02:12:52,880 out there 3163 02:12:57,270 --> 02:12:55,280 but when he realized and he was one of 3164 02:12:59,830 --> 02:12:57,280 the first to voice it so all 3165 02:13:00,390 --> 02:12:59,840 uh you know hats off to him that they're 3166 02:13:03,510 --> 02:13:00,400 in this 3167 02:13:05,750 --> 02:13:03,520 pattern he's he actually put himself on 3168 02:13:06,310 --> 02:13:05,760 a limb and says there has to be a very 3169 02:13:09,830 --> 02:13:06,320 loud 3170 02:13:11,910 --> 02:13:09,840 large object out there and uh 3171 02:13:14,229 --> 02:13:11,920 when asked in the press how certain he 3172 02:13:16,550 --> 02:13:14,239 was he said i'm 100 3173 02:13:18,069 --> 02:13:16,560 sure so he's gone way out of the limb 3174 02:13:20,310 --> 02:13:18,079 and sawed it off 3175 02:13:22,069 --> 02:13:20,320 and uh but they're all looking for a 3176 02:13:24,629 --> 02:13:22,079 planet which they have not 3177 02:13:26,310 --> 02:13:24,639 found which is extremely odd you know 3178 02:13:30,709 --> 02:13:26,320 given that when we 3179 02:13:33,830 --> 02:13:30,719 we saw little uh perturbations in um 3180 02:13:35,030 --> 02:13:33,840 uranus they found neptune within 48 3181 02:13:37,589 --> 02:13:35,040 hours when they 3182 02:13:40,550 --> 02:13:37,599 discovered the perturbations in neptune 3183 02:13:43,030 --> 02:13:40,560 they found pluto within like 24 hours 3184 02:13:44,870 --> 02:13:43,040 now we're finding that the whole solar 3185 02:13:47,430 --> 02:13:44,880 system has a signature 3186 02:13:49,750 --> 02:13:47,440 and every top astronomer in the in the 3187 02:13:53,350 --> 02:13:49,760 world has been looking in this direction 3188 02:13:55,430 --> 02:13:53,360 and they haven't found a thing and so 3189 02:13:57,189 --> 02:13:55,440 uh you know i have a theory for that but 3190 02:14:00,069 --> 02:13:57,199 it's uh it's 3191 02:14:01,510 --> 02:14:00,079 i okay hold on hold on i want to hear 3192 02:14:04,709 --> 02:14:01,520 your theory 3193 02:14:08,310 --> 02:14:04,719 um can i make okay let me uh 3194 02:14:13,270 --> 02:14:08,320 remember i'm not a phd i'm not 3195 02:14:16,310 --> 02:14:13,280 but this is my thought 3196 02:14:20,149 --> 02:14:16,320 it's far enough out 3197 02:14:23,510 --> 02:14:20,159 not to reflect any sunlight 3198 02:14:27,990 --> 02:14:23,520 and may not have the 3199 02:14:31,109 --> 02:14:28,000 uh the em signature to be picked up 3200 02:14:34,229 --> 02:14:31,119 by a radio telescope and 3201 02:14:34,709 --> 02:14:34,239 that it is sitting out there its size is 3202 02:14:38,870 --> 02:14:34,719 enough 3203 02:14:42,709 --> 02:14:38,880 to affect things from great distances 3204 02:14:48,790 --> 02:14:42,719 but we can't see it because it's beyond 3205 02:14:51,830 --> 02:14:50,950 that is a possibility and we sort of 3206 02:14:56,790 --> 02:14:51,840 laid out that 3207 02:15:00,470 --> 02:14:56,800 hypothesis in lost our myth and time 3208 02:15:03,830 --> 02:15:00,480 but there is another possibility that 3209 02:15:07,350 --> 02:15:03,840 i i lean more towards okay 3210 02:15:10,069 --> 02:15:07,360 and and that that is that 3211 02:15:10,790 --> 02:15:10,079 when when our modern scientists said 3212 02:15:13,350 --> 02:15:10,800 it's somewhere 3213 02:15:14,229 --> 02:15:13,360 out there in the area between sirius and 3214 02:15:17,270 --> 02:15:14,239 orion 3215 02:15:18,790 --> 02:15:17,280 that they actually named it and it's but 3216 02:15:21,990 --> 02:15:18,800 it's way out there it's 3217 02:15:25,189 --> 02:15:22,000 a it's in all likelihood serious in my 3218 02:15:29,430 --> 02:15:25,199 opinion uh because sirius 3219 02:15:32,950 --> 02:15:29,440 is um you know right in line 3220 02:15:36,629 --> 02:15:32,960 uh with with pluto's inclination and 3221 02:15:39,910 --> 02:15:36,639 the inc inclination of many of the other 3222 02:15:42,629 --> 02:15:39,920 dwarf planets it's just right in the loc 3223 02:15:43,990 --> 02:15:42,639 the right location and i i hypothesized 3224 02:15:45,990 --> 02:15:44,000 this before 3225 02:15:47,910 --> 02:15:46,000 mike brown and any of the gang were even 3226 02:15:51,430 --> 02:15:47,920 looking for an object out there 3227 02:15:54,470 --> 02:15:51,440 uh causing the signature and 3228 02:15:56,950 --> 02:15:54,480 also if you go back to uh 3229 02:15:58,229 --> 02:15:56,960 you know look at some of the redness 3230 02:16:00,470 --> 02:15:58,239 resonances 3231 02:16:02,390 --> 02:16:00,480 you know planets have other signatures 3232 02:16:04,229 --> 02:16:02,400 too uh when they're in resonance with 3233 02:16:06,629 --> 02:16:04,239 each other 3234 02:16:07,430 --> 02:16:06,639 and our solar system does this so that 3235 02:16:09,189 --> 02:16:07,440 you know 3236 02:16:10,709 --> 02:16:09,199 things don't keep running into each 3237 02:16:14,229 --> 02:16:10,719 other they fall into 3238 02:16:17,910 --> 02:16:14,239 patterns uh and so if you look at like 3239 02:16:21,669 --> 02:16:17,920 neptune and pluto for example 3240 02:16:24,870 --> 02:16:21,679 their their orbit planes cross 3241 02:16:27,109 --> 02:16:24,880 but their orbit periods are such that 3242 02:16:29,270 --> 02:16:27,119 you know a pluto goes around twice for 3243 02:16:32,629 --> 02:16:29,280 every once that neptune goes around 3244 02:16:34,629 --> 02:16:32,639 and therefore they will never hit they 3245 02:16:36,230 --> 02:16:34,639 and so they're they're in this beautiful 3246 02:16:39,830 --> 02:16:36,240 harmonic dance 3247 02:16:41,669 --> 02:16:39,840 well guess what uh sirius 3248 02:16:42,950 --> 02:16:41,679 the serious system is actually made of 3249 02:16:46,549 --> 02:16:42,960 two stars sirius 3250 02:16:50,070 --> 02:16:46,559 a which is two solar masses and sirius b 3251 02:16:53,669 --> 02:16:50,080 a very super dense white dwarf 3252 02:16:55,750 --> 02:16:53,679 of one solar mass and they have a 3253 02:16:57,110 --> 02:16:55,760 a 50-year period that they go around 3254 02:17:00,629 --> 02:16:57,120 each other 3255 02:17:03,910 --> 02:17:00,639 that period is an exact resonance 3256 02:17:06,950 --> 02:17:03,920 with uh pluto's orbit period it's 3257 02:17:09,270 --> 02:17:06,960 it's actually a five to one ratio 3258 02:17:11,349 --> 02:17:09,280 and some friends of mine have have been 3259 02:17:13,270 --> 02:17:11,359 you know monitoring sirius for 3260 02:17:14,389 --> 02:17:13,280 quite some time and they found that on 3261 02:17:17,750 --> 02:17:14,399 the last 3262 02:17:19,509 --> 02:17:17,760 transit of serious b between serious a 3263 02:17:21,429 --> 02:17:19,519 and our own solar system which happens 3264 02:17:25,910 --> 02:17:21,439 every 50 years 3265 02:17:28,709 --> 02:17:25,920 our whole earth time 3266 02:17:29,910 --> 02:17:28,719 dragged by about a second in a few days 3267 02:17:32,389 --> 02:17:29,920 leading up to it 3268 02:17:33,589 --> 02:17:32,399 and then right after it passed it gained 3269 02:17:37,750 --> 02:17:33,599 about a second 3270 02:17:41,589 --> 02:17:37,760 from four and a half light years away 3271 02:17:44,230 --> 02:17:41,599 yeah actually i think it's six points 3272 02:17:45,830 --> 02:17:44,240 or eight point six light years yeah but 3273 02:17:47,830 --> 02:17:45,840 you're right 3274 02:17:49,669 --> 02:17:47,840 yeah the center of gravity would be 3275 02:17:52,389 --> 02:17:49,679 closer to the midway point 3276 02:17:52,950 --> 02:17:52,399 actually a little closer to sirius call 3277 02:17:55,589 --> 02:17:52,960 it 3278 02:17:56,709 --> 02:17:55,599 five and a half or six light years out 3279 02:17:58,230 --> 02:17:56,719 because 3280 02:17:59,750 --> 02:17:58,240 you know we're talking about the center 3281 02:18:01,990 --> 02:17:59,760 of mass so we don't have to go all the 3282 02:18:05,990 --> 02:18:02,000 way around serious we just have to go 3283 02:18:08,870 --> 02:18:06,000 around the uh the berry center 3284 02:18:10,230 --> 02:18:08,880 but you know so that's it's just a 3285 02:18:13,509 --> 02:18:10,240 theory 3286 02:18:15,990 --> 02:18:13,519 um i am open to other 3287 02:18:18,870 --> 02:18:16,000 uh ideas i'm corresponding with a lot of 3288 02:18:22,709 --> 02:18:18,880 astronomers on other ideas 3289 02:18:24,309 --> 02:18:22,719 um and and you know 3290 02:18:26,469 --> 02:18:24,319 well might we'll probably know in the 3291 02:18:27,509 --> 02:18:26,479 next five or ten years yeah well mike 3292 02:18:29,910 --> 02:18:27,519 brown 3293 02:18:31,429 --> 02:18:29,920 uh and you correctly stated that he put 3294 02:18:34,790 --> 02:18:31,439 everything on the table 3295 02:18:36,950 --> 02:18:34,800 he he definitely did but 3296 02:18:38,549 --> 02:18:36,960 one of the things that he said very 3297 02:18:42,070 --> 02:18:38,559 definitively 3298 02:18:46,230 --> 02:18:42,080 he said the math is not 3299 02:18:49,349 --> 02:18:46,240 wrong right that that would you know 3300 02:18:52,950 --> 02:18:49,359 here it is there has to be 3301 02:18:53,750 --> 02:18:52,960 something there and when we look at the 3302 02:18:56,950 --> 02:18:53,760 math and 3303 02:19:00,389 --> 02:18:56,960 we're looking exactly where it should be 3304 02:19:03,030 --> 02:19:00,399 we're not finding anything but the math 3305 02:19:04,790 --> 02:19:03,040 is not wrong that's a pretty 3306 02:19:06,790 --> 02:19:04,800 extraordinary thing for somebody from 3307 02:19:13,030 --> 02:19:06,800 caltech to you know to say 3308 02:19:16,790 --> 02:19:15,589 go ahead we use newtonian math we use 3309 02:19:20,150 --> 02:19:16,800 newtonian math for 3310 02:19:21,910 --> 02:19:20,160 uh for gravitational calculations 3311 02:19:23,830 --> 02:19:21,920 you know it was brilliant it works 3312 02:19:25,509 --> 02:19:23,840 really well unless you just get too far 3313 02:19:26,150 --> 02:19:25,519 out and you're talking on a galactic 3314 02:19:28,309 --> 02:19:26,160 level 3315 02:19:30,389 --> 02:19:28,319 but locally it seems to make a whole lot 3316 02:19:34,629 --> 02:19:30,399 of sense 3317 02:19:38,549 --> 02:19:34,639 but einstein had theorized 3318 02:19:41,910 --> 02:19:38,559 uh you know a little over 100 years ago 3319 02:19:44,950 --> 02:19:41,920 that there was uh 3320 02:19:49,190 --> 02:19:44,960 something called gravitational waves 3321 02:19:51,750 --> 02:19:49,200 that so it's not just 3322 02:19:52,309 --> 02:19:51,760 the the only thing that affects other 3323 02:19:55,349 --> 02:19:52,319 objects 3324 02:19:57,110 --> 02:19:55,359 isn't just a big mass coming close and 3325 02:20:00,630 --> 02:19:57,120 moving farther away 3326 02:20:02,950 --> 02:20:00,640 but actual waves from from two objects 3327 02:20:04,070 --> 02:20:02,960 that might be you know orbiting each 3328 02:20:07,750 --> 02:20:04,080 other 3329 02:20:09,750 --> 02:20:07,760 and so this was studied and 3330 02:20:11,110 --> 02:20:09,760 it took about a hundred years but it was 3331 02:20:14,230 --> 02:20:11,120 finally proved 3332 02:20:17,590 --> 02:20:14,240 here i think just two three years ago 3333 02:20:19,670 --> 02:20:17,600 in the ligo experiments that's right 3334 02:20:21,510 --> 02:20:19,680 yeah and so they've they proved that 3335 02:20:23,590 --> 02:20:21,520 gravity waves exist 3336 02:20:24,790 --> 02:20:23,600 and if you look at the type of waves 3337 02:20:28,630 --> 02:20:24,800 they're finding 3338 02:20:31,429 --> 02:20:28,640 massive objects 3339 02:20:32,870 --> 02:20:31,439 circling one and each other and you know 3340 02:20:34,710 --> 02:20:32,880 they think they've crashed into each 3341 02:20:36,389 --> 02:20:34,720 other and that shows up on this little 3342 02:20:39,270 --> 02:20:36,399 tiny ligo experiment 3343 02:20:40,790 --> 02:20:39,280 i see a little tiny because it's uh you 3344 02:20:42,469 --> 02:20:40,800 know it's two places in the united 3345 02:20:45,110 --> 02:20:42,479 states but i think each 3346 02:20:46,150 --> 02:20:45,120 each laser uh which are at 90 degree 3347 02:20:48,550 --> 02:20:46,160 intersections is 3348 02:20:50,870 --> 02:20:48,560 is maybe a mile long something like that 3349 02:20:52,950 --> 02:20:50,880 two kilometers what if you had a light 3350 02:20:55,030 --> 02:20:52,960 yeah okay sounds about right yeah what 3351 02:20:58,550 --> 02:20:55,040 if you had a ligo experiment 3352 02:21:00,550 --> 02:20:58,560 that was the size of our solar system 3353 02:21:01,830 --> 02:21:00,560 and what you were looking to see if it 3354 02:21:05,670 --> 02:21:01,840 moves 3355 02:21:09,190 --> 02:21:05,680 is are our outer most distant planets 3356 02:21:11,270 --> 02:21:09,200 with the least amount of mass 3357 02:21:14,070 --> 02:21:11,280 and that's what i think we have and i 3358 02:21:17,190 --> 02:21:14,080 think what's happening is serious b 3359 02:21:20,070 --> 02:21:17,200 goes around serious a it's uh 3360 02:21:21,030 --> 02:21:20,080 it's the source of massive gravitational 3361 02:21:25,030 --> 02:21:21,040 waves 3362 02:21:28,550 --> 02:21:25,040 and it's sort of rippling our our 3363 02:21:30,710 --> 02:21:28,560 our solar system into a certain pattern 3364 02:21:31,750 --> 02:21:30,720 which is making you know all the 3365 02:21:34,230 --> 02:21:31,760 astronomers 3366 02:21:36,150 --> 02:21:34,240 look out in that direction now to find 3367 02:21:37,910 --> 02:21:36,160 some massive object 3368 02:21:39,429 --> 02:21:37,920 but right now they're only conceiving 3369 02:21:41,190 --> 02:21:39,439 that it could be a planet 3370 02:21:42,870 --> 02:21:41,200 they keep up in the amount at first they 3371 02:21:44,389 --> 02:21:42,880 thought it was one solar masses maybe 3372 02:21:46,950 --> 02:21:44,399 one to two solar masses 3373 02:21:49,110 --> 02:21:46,960 maybe up to five solar masses i think 3374 02:21:49,830 --> 02:21:49,120 the consensus now is about 10 solar 3375 02:21:52,550 --> 02:21:49,840 masses 3376 02:21:53,030 --> 02:21:52,560 more and more people are saying 20. i'm 3377 02:21:56,309 --> 02:21:53,040 sorry 3378 02:21:57,429 --> 02:21:56,319 up earth masses um some are saying up to 3379 02:22:00,950 --> 02:21:57,439 a hundred 3380 02:22:04,150 --> 02:22:00,960 but uh you know what if it's if it's uh 3381 02:22:06,550 --> 02:22:04,160 you know multiple solar masses it could 3382 02:22:08,790 --> 02:22:06,560 which would be millions of earth masses 3383 02:22:12,070 --> 02:22:08,800 it could be much farther away 3384 02:22:13,270 --> 02:22:12,080 and and my guess is that's that's where 3385 02:22:16,550 --> 02:22:13,280 we're leading 3386 02:22:20,309 --> 02:22:16,560 um how far is this idea uh 3387 02:22:21,830 --> 02:22:20,319 going you know is it something that is 3388 02:22:24,469 --> 02:22:21,840 being discussed out there in the 3389 02:22:27,590 --> 02:22:26,630 well right now it hasn't gone too much 3390 02:22:31,030 --> 02:22:27,600 farther than the 3391 02:22:35,349 --> 02:22:31,040 jimmy church show 3392 02:22:37,670 --> 02:22:35,359 maybe coast to coast but 3393 02:22:40,150 --> 02:22:37,680 yeah no quietly you know you get a lot 3394 02:22:42,630 --> 02:22:40,160 of uh support from astronomers 3395 02:22:43,750 --> 02:22:42,640 uh who say something like well you know 3396 02:22:46,469 --> 02:22:43,760 i i was 3397 02:22:47,830 --> 02:22:46,479 curious when i read your website and 3398 02:22:49,670 --> 02:22:47,840 have you thought of this and this and 3399 02:22:53,110 --> 02:22:49,680 this and this so 3400 02:22:54,710 --> 02:22:53,120 there's there's some fun engagement 3401 02:22:57,510 --> 02:22:54,720 that's going on 3402 02:23:00,230 --> 02:22:57,520 um and and that's really what it takes 3403 02:23:02,950 --> 02:23:00,240 to sort of flush this whole thing out 3404 02:23:03,990 --> 02:23:02,960 but it's you know it's pretty heretical 3405 02:23:06,870 --> 02:23:04,000 right now to say 3406 02:23:07,750 --> 02:23:06,880 that that our solar system is part of 3407 02:23:10,150 --> 02:23:07,760 another 3408 02:23:11,270 --> 02:23:10,160 stellar star system to me it's obvious 3409 02:23:14,550 --> 02:23:11,280 because 3410 02:23:15,910 --> 02:23:14,560 the the biggest most obvious sign of 3411 02:23:19,510 --> 02:23:15,920 that is 3412 02:23:22,550 --> 02:23:19,520 um you know our our earth changes 3413 02:23:25,349 --> 02:23:22,560 uh orientation 3414 02:23:27,990 --> 02:23:25,359 roughly every 24 000 years just like it 3415 02:23:30,150 --> 02:23:28,000 does every 24 hours it spins on x-axis 3416 02:23:32,790 --> 02:23:30,160 every 365 days 3417 02:23:33,190 --> 02:23:32,800 it goes around the sun well every 24 000 3418 02:23:35,510 --> 02:23:33,200 years 3419 02:23:36,230 --> 02:23:35,520 all the stars completely go around and 3420 02:23:39,670 --> 02:23:36,240 come back 3421 02:23:42,630 --> 02:23:39,680 to us but that's been explained away as 3422 02:23:43,510 --> 02:23:42,640 procession due to wobbling earth and i 3423 02:23:46,950 --> 02:23:43,520 find that 3424 02:23:48,710 --> 02:23:46,960 theory to be terribly broken i do not 3425 02:23:51,270 --> 02:23:48,720 see that it's due to procession i see 3426 02:23:53,990 --> 02:23:51,280 it's due to the entire solar system 3427 02:23:54,550 --> 02:23:54,000 orbiting something else which is why we 3428 02:23:57,670 --> 02:23:54,560 have a 3429 02:23:59,190 --> 02:23:57,680 beautiful view 360 degree view of all 3430 02:24:02,550 --> 02:23:59,200 the heavens every 24 3431 02:24:03,910 --> 02:24:02,560 000 years now uh and before we get to 3432 02:24:06,150 --> 02:24:03,920 the bottom of the hour 3433 02:24:07,429 --> 02:24:06,160 oh by the way we talked about this 3434 02:24:11,110 --> 02:24:07,439 earlier 3435 02:24:13,030 --> 02:24:11,120 we are running out of time and i want to 3436 02:24:14,309 --> 02:24:13,040 talk about the mayan calendar so i want 3437 02:24:15,750 --> 02:24:14,319 to save that 3438 02:24:18,309 --> 02:24:15,760 for when we come back and we'll do a 3439 02:24:18,870 --> 02:24:18,319 little overtime but before we get to the 3440 02:24:22,230 --> 02:24:18,880 break 3441 02:24:22,870 --> 02:24:22,240 here in a few minutes uh i want to 3442 02:24:28,790 --> 02:24:22,880 discuss 3443 02:24:33,510 --> 02:24:28,800 briefly uh our star system here and 3444 02:24:36,630 --> 02:24:33,520 where its binary brother or sister 3445 02:24:42,070 --> 02:24:36,640 should or would be uh where are we 3446 02:24:46,630 --> 02:24:42,080 with that research 3447 02:24:54,830 --> 02:24:49,990 yeah our our sun 3448 02:24:58,230 --> 02:24:54,840 i believe it's its companion 3449 02:25:00,790 --> 02:24:58,240 is is likely serious 3450 02:25:02,070 --> 02:25:00,800 ooh yeah that's that's exactly what i 3451 02:25:05,110 --> 02:25:02,080 was referring to 3452 02:25:07,030 --> 02:25:05,120 and that's why it is it's having all 3453 02:25:09,349 --> 02:25:07,040 these effects and that's why 3454 02:25:10,230 --> 02:25:09,359 our periodicity it's locked with some of 3455 02:25:14,070 --> 02:25:10,240 the uh 3456 02:25:16,710 --> 02:25:14,080 the minor planets um 3457 02:25:17,110 --> 02:25:16,720 you know okay okay there's all right 3458 02:25:19,270 --> 02:25:17,120 yeah 3459 02:25:20,230 --> 02:25:19,280 i i wrote a chapter 10 to lost star and 3460 02:25:24,550 --> 02:25:20,240 you'll find it there 3461 02:25:25,510 --> 02:25:24,560 okay i i i'm almost i almost i almost 3462 02:25:28,790 --> 02:25:25,520 grasped it 3463 02:25:31,910 --> 02:25:28,800 for a second okay so let's back up 3464 02:25:33,030 --> 02:25:31,920 i i was feeling smarter for for for a 3465 02:25:35,750 --> 02:25:33,040 minute there 3466 02:25:36,710 --> 02:25:35,760 i can understand serious a and b 50 3467 02:25:39,990 --> 02:25:36,720 years 3468 02:25:43,030 --> 02:25:40,000 right i see that and it's gravitational 3469 02:25:46,469 --> 02:25:43,040 pull back on our 3470 02:25:50,070 --> 02:25:46,479 star system here and being able to 3471 02:25:53,429 --> 02:25:50,080 measure uh uh 3472 02:25:56,230 --> 02:25:53,439 hiccups right with uh in court 3473 02:25:56,950 --> 02:25:56,240 with correlating with that at a 50-year 3474 02:26:01,750 --> 02:25:56,960 cycle 3475 02:26:06,150 --> 02:26:01,760 but it's still a great distance from us 3476 02:26:09,030 --> 02:26:06,160 if if our binary companion 3477 02:26:11,590 --> 02:26:09,040 would be serious a i think that's what 3478 02:26:14,950 --> 02:26:11,600 you said sirius a 3479 02:26:18,230 --> 02:26:14,960 are they orbiting 3480 02:26:21,190 --> 02:26:18,240 and what what kind of 3481 02:26:22,070 --> 02:26:21,200 kind of time are we talking about there 3482 02:26:25,110 --> 02:26:22,080 we're talking about 3483 02:26:27,030 --> 02:26:25,120 billions of years to go through the 3484 02:26:30,230 --> 02:26:27,040 cycle 3485 02:26:32,950 --> 02:26:30,240 no no it's it's in my opinion it's 3486 02:26:35,270 --> 02:26:32,960 uh it's the procession cycle it's 3487 02:26:39,190 --> 02:26:35,280 roughly 24 000 years 3488 02:26:42,309 --> 02:26:39,200 um so as think of it as uh 3489 02:26:45,670 --> 02:26:42,319 as a clock-like system and as b 3490 02:26:46,710 --> 02:26:45,680 goes around a which is sort of in line 3491 02:26:49,270 --> 02:26:46,720 with our 3492 02:26:50,870 --> 02:26:49,280 solar system every time it sort of 3493 02:26:53,590 --> 02:26:50,880 swings by it 3494 02:26:55,670 --> 02:26:53,600 our solar system ratchets a little bit 3495 02:26:58,870 --> 02:26:55,680 right and spins just a little bit 3496 02:27:01,670 --> 02:26:58,880 right and gets a little bit more energy 3497 02:27:03,030 --> 02:27:01,680 that's what gravity waves do it just 3498 02:27:05,750 --> 02:27:03,040 gives you energy 3499 02:27:07,510 --> 02:27:05,760 and so you're right it seems too far 3500 02:27:10,389 --> 02:27:07,520 away to have any of 3501 02:27:11,990 --> 02:27:10,399 any effect in newtonian physics but if 3502 02:27:14,389 --> 02:27:12,000 you think of uh 3503 02:27:15,270 --> 02:27:14,399 have you ever carried like a huge punch 3504 02:27:17,910 --> 02:27:15,280 bowl 3505 02:27:20,550 --> 02:27:17,920 and you're carrying it out to a table 3506 02:27:24,630 --> 02:27:23,110 you know it's you have to be very 3507 02:27:26,469 --> 02:27:24,640 careful with it because if 3508 02:27:28,150 --> 02:27:26,479 if it goes one way it wants to just keep 3509 02:27:32,230 --> 02:27:28,160 going that way 3510 02:27:34,630 --> 02:27:32,240 but if if the punch in that punch ball 3511 02:27:36,469 --> 02:27:34,640 and let's say it's round or oval shape 3512 02:27:39,750 --> 02:27:36,479 if you can 3513 02:27:42,150 --> 02:27:39,760 just get it spinning which might take a 3514 02:27:45,670 --> 02:27:42,160 lot of effort at first 3515 02:27:48,550 --> 02:27:45,680 and then to keep it spinning 3516 02:27:48,870 --> 02:27:48,560 all you need to do is just touch it just 3517 02:27:52,150 --> 02:27:48,880 with 3518 02:27:54,630 --> 02:27:52,160 one finger at the right intervals 3519 02:27:55,510 --> 02:27:54,640 and that entire mass will just keep 3520 02:27:57,750 --> 02:27:55,520 spinning 3521 02:27:58,870 --> 02:27:57,760 and it's not that your one little finger 3522 02:28:01,670 --> 02:27:58,880 can move 3523 02:28:03,590 --> 02:28:01,680 the weight of you know five gallons of 3524 02:28:06,710 --> 02:28:03,600 of water very easily 3525 02:28:09,830 --> 02:28:06,720 it's that it's doing it in a 3526 02:28:12,710 --> 02:28:09,840 in a pendulum type of motion 3527 02:28:14,309 --> 02:28:12,720 and so you have you have series b going 3528 02:28:17,349 --> 02:28:14,319 around serious a 3529 02:28:19,750 --> 02:28:17,359 it's causing this pendulum motion which 3530 02:28:21,750 --> 02:28:19,760 is rearranging everything 3531 02:28:23,670 --> 02:28:21,760 on a very consistent basis throughout 3532 02:28:26,550 --> 02:28:23,680 our whole solar system 3533 02:28:28,070 --> 02:28:26,560 and so all these dwarf planets have just 3534 02:28:30,630 --> 02:28:28,080 lined up 3535 02:28:31,990 --> 02:28:30,640 very nicely uh you know in that 3536 02:28:35,670 --> 02:28:32,000 direction 3537 02:28:39,030 --> 02:28:35,680 and it's just just a beautiful signature 3538 02:28:42,309 --> 02:28:39,040 of of that system in my opinion so 3539 02:28:44,630 --> 02:28:42,319 kind of like spinning a bike tire right 3540 02:28:46,150 --> 02:28:44,640 this is it right and then you know once 3541 02:28:48,309 --> 02:28:46,160 you've got it spinning 3542 02:28:52,070 --> 02:28:48,319 you only got to just flick it and you 3543 02:28:57,030 --> 02:28:55,349 yeah very much so very interesting 3544 02:28:59,990 --> 02:28:57,040 all right let's take our break uh when 3545 02:29:02,870 --> 02:29:00,000 we come back uh i want to talk about 3546 02:29:03,910 --> 02:29:02,880 this uh this dust up with the mayan 3547 02:29:07,429 --> 02:29:03,920 calendar 3548 02:29:08,710 --> 02:29:07,439 and the reason why walter i i find it so 3549 02:29:11,349 --> 02:29:08,720 interesting 3550 02:29:13,030 --> 02:29:11,359 is all of the publicity that went down 3551 02:29:16,389 --> 02:29:13,040 in december 2012 3552 02:29:16,710 --> 02:29:16,399 about the end of an age right and this 3553 02:29:23,990 --> 02:29:16,720 is 3554 02:29:26,550 --> 02:29:24,000 now it's all been shifted right 3555 02:29:28,550 --> 02:29:26,560 the dating was wrong uh i want to 3556 02:29:29,750 --> 02:29:28,560 discuss that i find it totally 3557 02:29:32,230 --> 02:29:29,760 interesting 3558 02:29:33,190 --> 02:29:32,240 um i know i don't know about you walter 3559 02:29:37,429 --> 02:29:33,200 i didn't totally 3560 02:29:39,590 --> 02:29:37,439 buy into the december 2012 uh 3561 02:29:41,670 --> 02:29:39,600 theories that were out there that was 3562 02:29:44,309 --> 02:29:41,680 just me it was too good to be true 3563 02:29:45,030 --> 02:29:44,319 and that that was just me well it came 3564 02:29:48,950 --> 02:29:45,040 and went 3565 02:29:50,469 --> 02:29:48,960 and everything was okay in 2013. 3566 02:29:52,309 --> 02:29:50,479 let's uh let's talk about all of this 3567 02:29:53,910 --> 02:29:52,319 when we come back our guest tonight 3568 02:29:56,460 --> 02:29:53,920 walter cruttenden we're heading into 3569 02:30:02,830 --> 02:29:56,470 overtime this is fade to black stay with 3570 02:30:05,220 --> 02:30:02,840 [Music] 3571 02:30:11,190 --> 02:30:05,230 us 3572 02:30:13,590 --> 02:30:11,200 hey what up y'all should go biblical fox 3573 02:30:18,790 --> 02:30:13,600 here and you are listening to my boy 3574 02:30:22,070 --> 02:30:18,800 jimmy church on jimmychurchradio.com 3575 02:30:25,750 --> 02:30:22,080 despite popular opinion reading a book 3576 02:30:29,349 --> 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3637 02:32:42,230 --> 02:32:41,200 are you intrigued by paranormal talk 3638 02:32:44,710 --> 02:32:42,240 radio you 3639 02:32:45,590 --> 02:32:44,720 love the new paranormal radio app from 3640 02:32:48,230 --> 02:32:45,600 talk stream 3641 02:32:50,309 --> 02:32:48,240 live you'll find a great selection of 3642 02:32:53,429 --> 02:32:50,319 talk shows covering ufos 3643 02:32:55,750 --> 02:32:53,439 ghosts strange phenomena and much more 3644 02:32:57,590 --> 02:32:55,760 download the paranormal radio app now 3645 02:32:59,510 --> 02:32:57,600 and start listening to the very best in 3646 02:33:01,030 --> 02:32:59,520 paranormal talk entertainment 3647 02:33:03,910 --> 02:33:01,040 including the network you're listening 3648 02:33:06,710 --> 02:33:03,920 to right now the paranormal radio app 3649 02:33:15,510 --> 02:33:06,720 free in google play and the ios app 3650 02:33:27,910 --> 02:33:18,630 it's not a lifestyle we chose we were 3651 02:33:27,920 --> 02:33:46,469 this is kjcr jimmychurchradio.com 3652 02:33:51,270 --> 02:33:49,349 welcome back baby black i am your host 3653 02:33:52,870 --> 02:33:51,280 jimmy church 3654 02:33:54,550 --> 02:33:52,880 i guess tonight walter cruttenden we're 3655 02:33:57,030 --> 02:33:54,560 heading straight into 3656 02:33:58,950 --> 02:33:57,040 overtime tonight what a great 3657 02:34:00,870 --> 02:33:58,960 conversation and and walter 3658 02:34:01,990 --> 02:34:00,880 uh seriously i want to thank you not 3659 02:34:05,349 --> 02:34:02,000 only for all of your hard 3660 02:34:07,429 --> 02:34:05,359 work but uh hanging out uh with all of 3661 02:34:10,309 --> 02:34:07,439 us tonight and especially when 3662 02:34:11,750 --> 02:34:10,319 uh this world is doing its dramatic 3663 02:34:14,469 --> 02:34:11,760 things right now but 3664 02:34:14,950 --> 02:34:14,479 thank you so much because it allows us 3665 02:34:20,630 --> 02:34:14,960 uh 3666 02:34:22,710 --> 02:34:20,640 and and the audience can come and hang 3667 02:34:24,150 --> 02:34:22,720 out with us and not hear us talk about 3668 02:34:26,309 --> 02:34:24,160 the dreaded uh 3669 02:34:27,670 --> 02:34:26,319 uh things that are going on but you know 3670 02:34:30,710 --> 02:34:27,680 what's interesting 3671 02:34:33,990 --> 02:34:30,720 uh as we jump into this uh 3672 02:34:36,309 --> 02:34:34,000 what's that is newton and we've talked 3673 02:34:41,110 --> 02:34:36,319 about newton so much tonight 3674 02:34:46,950 --> 02:34:41,120 newton came up with his gravity math 3675 02:34:53,030 --> 02:34:50,469 yes oh yeah man 3676 02:34:55,110 --> 02:34:53,040 they were in the middle of it and uh so 3677 02:34:56,950 --> 02:34:55,120 he was locked down with the family for 3678 02:34:59,910 --> 02:34:56,960 for a few months and had to sit and 3679 02:35:03,190 --> 02:34:59,920 think so we have that going for us 3680 02:35:05,750 --> 02:35:03,200 just maybe this show tonight 3681 02:35:06,389 --> 02:35:05,760 will uh will change will change the 3682 02:35:09,590 --> 02:35:06,399 future 3683 02:35:13,190 --> 02:35:09,600 you never know you never know so um 3684 02:35:16,630 --> 02:35:13,200 what did you make of the mayan calendar 3685 02:35:21,590 --> 02:35:16,640 2020 dustup that started about a week 3686 02:35:27,750 --> 02:35:24,870 you know somebody sent me a 3687 02:35:29,270 --> 02:35:27,760 little cartoon on it and it's it's two 3688 02:35:31,590 --> 02:35:29,280 mayans 3689 02:35:33,190 --> 02:35:31,600 in ancient times you know sitting on 3690 02:35:37,030 --> 02:35:33,200 opposite fires 3691 02:35:40,230 --> 02:35:37,040 opposite sides of the fire and one uh 3692 02:35:41,429 --> 02:35:40,240 one mayan is saying you know if you just 3693 02:35:44,790 --> 02:35:41,439 carry the three i 3694 02:35:46,469 --> 02:35:44,800 i really think it'll get you those extra 3695 02:35:47,349 --> 02:35:46,479 years and the other guy is saying i'm 3696 02:35:49,110 --> 02:35:47,359 not gonna add 3697 02:35:52,309 --> 02:35:49,120 eight years i already carved the thing 3698 02:35:58,630 --> 02:35:55,510 oh that if you carry the three 3699 02:36:02,870 --> 02:35:58,640 oh that's funny that's funny well 3700 02:36:03,750 --> 02:36:02,880 um the the conspiracy theorists out 3701 02:36:06,950 --> 02:36:03,760 there 3702 02:36:09,110 --> 02:36:06,960 say that we've got five days left 3703 02:36:10,389 --> 02:36:09,120 right that it's going to be june 21st 3704 02:36:15,830 --> 02:36:10,399 2020 3705 02:36:23,590 --> 02:36:18,469 well why don't we talk a week from now 3706 02:36:29,190 --> 02:36:27,030 how many uh okay well let's back up for 3707 02:36:31,270 --> 02:36:29,200 a second because the ancients 3708 02:36:33,349 --> 02:36:31,280 uh obviously knew something and i think 3709 02:36:35,349 --> 02:36:33,359 one of the most beautiful things out 3710 02:36:37,670 --> 02:36:35,359 there is the mayan calendar 3711 02:36:38,950 --> 02:36:37,680 and when you break it down and you look 3712 02:36:42,150 --> 02:36:38,960 at the rings and 3713 02:36:42,950 --> 02:36:42,160 and how it works um it's about as 3714 02:36:46,550 --> 02:36:42,960 elegant 3715 02:36:48,389 --> 02:36:46,560 as it can be uh i don't i couldn't come 3716 02:36:50,790 --> 02:36:48,399 up with that today 3717 02:36:52,309 --> 02:36:50,800 it would be an impossibility uh it's 3718 02:36:55,750 --> 02:36:52,319 totally elegant 3719 02:36:59,110 --> 02:36:55,760 um how much can we depend on 3720 02:37:01,190 --> 02:36:59,120 uh the accuracy of the calendar 3721 02:37:05,030 --> 02:37:01,200 versus how they actually live their 3722 02:37:08,230 --> 02:37:05,040 lives by it 3723 02:37:09,349 --> 02:37:08,240 well you know in all seriousness i i do 3724 02:37:12,230 --> 02:37:09,359 think that uh 3725 02:37:14,870 --> 02:37:12,240 you know ancient peoples were just 3726 02:37:17,429 --> 02:37:14,880 wonderful observers of the sky 3727 02:37:17,990 --> 02:37:17,439 and we talked about hamlet's mill and 3728 02:37:20,469 --> 02:37:18,000 all the 3729 02:37:22,070 --> 02:37:20,479 uh ancient cultures where this has been 3730 02:37:25,590 --> 02:37:22,080 sort of verified 3731 02:37:27,910 --> 02:37:25,600 and so no doubt the the 3732 02:37:29,670 --> 02:37:27,920 mayans especially the olmec you know 3733 02:37:32,469 --> 02:37:29,680 before the mayans 3734 02:37:33,670 --> 02:37:32,479 because the the mayan culture sort of 3735 02:37:35,670 --> 02:37:33,680 you know deteriorated 3736 02:37:37,830 --> 02:37:35,680 as it got closer and closer to the dark 3737 02:37:40,070 --> 02:37:37,840 age and then finally disappeared 3738 02:37:41,830 --> 02:37:40,080 but yeah i i would think that there was 3739 02:37:44,790 --> 02:37:41,840 some real knowledge about 3740 02:37:46,469 --> 02:37:44,800 uh cycles of the heavens we know even 3741 02:37:48,870 --> 02:37:46,479 most of their uh 3742 02:37:49,910 --> 02:37:48,880 writings were destroyed we do know that 3743 02:37:53,270 --> 02:37:49,920 they 3744 02:37:55,349 --> 02:37:53,280 uh understood uh venus's 3745 02:37:56,469 --> 02:37:55,359 path through the sky very clearly in 3746 02:37:59,190 --> 02:37:56,479 relation to earth 3747 02:38:00,150 --> 02:37:59,200 which i don't think was clearly 3748 02:38:03,270 --> 02:38:00,160 understood 3749 02:38:05,830 --> 02:38:03,280 here uh you know in the west until like 3750 02:38:07,190 --> 02:38:05,840 the 1700s or something 3751 02:38:10,070 --> 02:38:07,200 so they did have knowledge that we 3752 02:38:10,710 --> 02:38:10,080 didn't have but i could only imagine the 3753 02:38:12,790 --> 02:38:10,720 things that 3754 02:38:14,790 --> 02:38:12,800 that were lost sort of as that whole 3755 02:38:18,630 --> 02:38:14,800 civilization declined 3756 02:38:22,389 --> 02:38:18,640 and i really um i i think the dating 3757 02:38:25,270 --> 02:38:22,399 on on the whole 2012 thing 3758 02:38:27,349 --> 02:38:25,280 um is a little bit fuzzy and some of the 3759 02:38:30,790 --> 02:38:27,359 interpretations came out rather late 3760 02:38:32,790 --> 02:38:30,800 so i'm i just don't 3761 02:38:34,950 --> 02:38:32,800 i can't really comment beyond that other 3762 02:38:37,590 --> 02:38:34,960 than there is some connection 3763 02:38:38,230 --> 02:38:37,600 between the motions to the heavens and 3764 02:38:40,389 --> 02:38:38,240 and 3765 02:38:42,309 --> 02:38:40,399 things that actually happen in the world 3766 02:38:44,070 --> 02:38:42,319 and we we know that on a daily basis we 3767 02:38:47,030 --> 02:38:44,080 know that on a seasonal basis 3768 02:38:49,590 --> 02:38:47,040 so why wouldn't it be uh happening on a 3769 02:38:52,950 --> 02:38:49,600 great year basis as plato talked about 3770 02:38:56,230 --> 02:38:52,960 well the uh the 3771 02:38:58,150 --> 02:38:56,240 the text that caused all of the uproar 3772 02:39:00,389 --> 02:38:58,160 right now and it's it's all over 3773 02:39:03,830 --> 02:39:00,399 mainstream media people 3774 02:39:06,469 --> 02:39:03,840 uh people want to believe and when 3775 02:39:08,469 --> 02:39:06,479 they resonate with something certainly 3776 02:39:12,070 --> 02:39:08,479 today with a thing called uh 3777 02:39:16,230 --> 02:39:12,080 twitter twitter's gonna be big walter um 3778 02:39:17,190 --> 02:39:16,240 the um the the these thoughts can take 3779 02:39:19,910 --> 02:39:17,200 off 3780 02:39:21,750 --> 02:39:19,920 and this is this is the text from it i 3781 02:39:23,270 --> 02:39:21,760 found it very interesting following the 3782 02:39:27,110 --> 02:39:23,280 julian calendar 3783 02:39:29,510 --> 02:39:27,120 we are technically in 2012. 3784 02:39:31,750 --> 02:39:29,520 the number of days lost in a year due to 3785 02:39:32,870 --> 02:39:31,760 the shift in the gregorian calendar is 3786 02:39:36,870 --> 02:39:32,880 11 days 3787 02:39:39,750 --> 02:39:36,880 for 268 years using the gregorian 3788 02:39:45,670 --> 02:39:39,760 calendar 1752-2020 3789 02:39:46,710 --> 02:39:45,680 times 11 days is 2948 days 2948 days 365 3790 02:39:51,190 --> 02:39:46,720 days per year 3791 02:39:55,030 --> 02:39:51,200 equals eight years december 21st 2012 3792 02:39:59,230 --> 02:39:55,040 equals june 21st 2020 3793 02:40:02,389 --> 02:39:59,240 the earth will be destroyed on june 21st 3794 02:40:04,070 --> 02:40:02,399 2020 end quote 3795 02:40:06,469 --> 02:40:04,080 that's enough to scare the crap out of 3796 02:40:09,510 --> 02:40:06,479 anybody and knowing that 3797 02:40:12,469 --> 02:40:09,520 uh it was well when this came out 3798 02:40:13,990 --> 02:40:12,479 uh last week that we were just two and a 3799 02:40:17,110 --> 02:40:14,000 half weeks away 3800 02:40:21,030 --> 02:40:17,120 from this doomsday cycle 3801 02:40:22,309 --> 02:40:21,040 so much was put into december 21st 2012 3802 02:40:25,429 --> 02:40:22,319 originally with all of these 3803 02:40:27,830 --> 02:40:25,439 calculations that 3804 02:40:28,630 --> 02:40:27,840 countless documentaries right countless 3805 02:40:31,269 --> 02:40:28,640 books 3806 02:40:32,950 --> 02:40:31,279 how many radio programs did we hear on 3807 02:40:34,950 --> 02:40:32,960 talk radio 3808 02:40:36,870 --> 02:40:34,960 you know discussing this and getting 3809 02:40:39,910 --> 02:40:36,880 everybody wound up right 3810 02:40:42,630 --> 02:40:39,920 because the the the mayans uh were 3811 02:40:43,990 --> 02:40:42,640 very elegant and accurate with their 3812 02:40:46,830 --> 02:40:44,000 calendar 3813 02:40:48,389 --> 02:40:46,840 if we bring in the gregorian side of 3814 02:40:52,230 --> 02:40:48,399 things 3815 02:40:53,349 --> 02:40:52,240 uh should we think that something 3816 02:40:55,110 --> 02:40:53,359 significant 3817 02:40:56,630 --> 02:40:55,120 could happen not necessarily the 3818 02:40:59,590 --> 02:40:56,640 destruction of the earth but maybe 3819 02:41:01,830 --> 02:40:59,600 something else may happen 3820 02:41:02,950 --> 02:41:01,840 well that's that's my main beef with it 3821 02:41:06,790 --> 02:41:02,960 that 3822 02:41:10,630 --> 02:41:06,800 yes uh you can look at the math 3823 02:41:12,950 --> 02:41:10,640 a different way and and possibly get to 3824 02:41:17,269 --> 02:41:12,960 a different conclusion although 3825 02:41:20,389 --> 02:41:17,279 um you know john major jenkins i 3826 02:41:21,269 --> 02:41:20,399 remember him he would have argued with 3827 02:41:24,950 --> 02:41:21,279 you on 3828 02:41:26,389 --> 02:41:24,960 on it but uh but then it's a whole 3829 02:41:27,990 --> 02:41:26,399 nother thing to say that the 3830 02:41:30,630 --> 02:41:28,000 interpretation of the event 3831 02:41:32,950 --> 02:41:30,640 is the end of the world versus you know 3832 02:41:36,389 --> 02:41:32,960 other interpretations are 3833 02:41:38,710 --> 02:41:36,399 uh end of a cycle change of a cycle 3834 02:41:39,990 --> 02:41:38,720 uh going from one season to another 3835 02:41:42,950 --> 02:41:40,000 season 3836 02:41:44,469 --> 02:41:42,960 uh so i think yeah it's more realistic 3837 02:41:47,670 --> 02:41:44,479 to believe that 3838 02:41:50,950 --> 02:41:47,680 something something could 3839 02:41:52,469 --> 02:41:50,960 they could be marking some change but i 3840 02:41:56,389 --> 02:41:52,479 don't think it's the end of the world 3841 02:41:57,190 --> 02:41:56,399 is there um i had john major jenkins on 3842 02:42:00,550 --> 02:41:57,200 the show 3843 02:42:02,230 --> 02:42:00,560 before he passed away and 3844 02:42:03,830 --> 02:42:02,240 uh it was a very interesting 3845 02:42:06,950 --> 02:42:03,840 conversation in that because i 3846 02:42:09,030 --> 02:42:06,960 followed him uh through 3847 02:42:10,550 --> 02:42:09,040 through the entire mess leading up to it 3848 02:42:13,110 --> 02:42:10,560 too it wasn't just 2012 3849 02:42:14,230 --> 02:42:13,120 it was uh many years before that where 3850 02:42:17,349 --> 02:42:14,240 he was 3851 02:42:18,150 --> 02:42:17,359 uh one of the experts and and things but 3852 02:42:19,910 --> 02:42:18,160 anyway 3853 02:42:21,190 --> 02:42:19,920 he came on the show he goes look man you 3854 02:42:23,910 --> 02:42:21,200 know i 3855 02:42:26,150 --> 02:42:23,920 i said there was nothing special here 3856 02:42:27,990 --> 02:42:26,160 but nobody wanted to listen to me 3857 02:42:29,990 --> 02:42:28,000 everybody else wanted to listen to the 3858 02:42:33,269 --> 02:42:30,000 sensational stuff 3859 02:42:35,269 --> 02:42:33,279 and as was i right or was i 3860 02:42:37,510 --> 02:42:35,279 wrong that part doesn't matter but i 3861 02:42:39,830 --> 02:42:37,520 just got kind of lost in the mix 3862 02:42:40,790 --> 02:42:39,840 and quite honestly i got tired of 3863 02:42:44,150 --> 02:42:40,800 fighting the fight 3864 02:42:45,110 --> 02:42:44,160 because nobody would listen to uh to my 3865 02:42:47,429 --> 02:42:45,120 work 3866 02:42:48,389 --> 02:42:47,439 and i i felt really bad for him because 3867 02:42:49,990 --> 02:42:48,399 he was 3868 02:42:52,550 --> 02:42:50,000 he just wanted to walk away from the 3869 02:42:54,150 --> 02:42:52,560 whole thing after uh 2012 was done he 3870 02:42:55,670 --> 02:42:54,160 he didn't want to do interviews you know 3871 02:42:58,790 --> 02:42:55,680 he just wanted to just 3872 02:43:00,950 --> 02:42:58,800 uh stop talking about it because of the 3873 02:43:02,790 --> 02:43:00,960 all the profiteering that was going on 3874 02:43:04,950 --> 02:43:02,800 with the books and the documentaries 3875 02:43:07,190 --> 02:43:04,960 that was happening with the you know the 3876 02:43:09,030 --> 02:43:07,200 world was going to end on december 21st 3877 02:43:12,070 --> 02:43:09,040 thing 3878 02:43:15,190 --> 02:43:12,080 yeah yeah he was a beautiful gentle soul 3879 02:43:18,790 --> 02:43:15,200 he was actually uh yeah great guy 3880 02:43:20,630 --> 02:43:18,800 uh on our very first seat pack 3881 02:43:22,790 --> 02:43:20,640 uh this conference on procession ancient 3882 02:43:25,910 --> 02:43:22,800 knowledge we've been doing for years 3883 02:43:27,510 --> 02:43:25,920 and yeah i think you know when we had 3884 02:43:29,190 --> 02:43:27,520 when we were just meeting privately we 3885 02:43:30,469 --> 02:43:29,200 weren't even inviting the public to 3886 02:43:34,389 --> 02:43:30,479 attend 3887 02:43:35,269 --> 02:43:34,399 but yeah and i we when john and i talked 3888 02:43:39,030 --> 02:43:35,279 it was always 3889 02:43:41,269 --> 02:43:39,040 that you know that the ancient cultures 3890 02:43:43,269 --> 02:43:41,279 watched the heavens they did 3891 02:43:45,429 --> 02:43:43,279 calculations 3892 02:43:47,269 --> 02:43:45,439 they they could obviously tell when the 3893 02:43:49,990 --> 02:43:47,279 seasons were changing 3894 02:43:50,630 --> 02:43:50,000 they seemed to have sensed some larger 3895 02:43:53,510 --> 02:43:50,640 seasons 3896 02:43:54,870 --> 02:43:53,520 going on out there and so sort of the 3897 02:43:58,070 --> 02:43:54,880 last conversations 3898 02:43:59,830 --> 02:43:58,080 we were having was it has to be related 3899 02:44:03,190 --> 02:43:59,840 to the yugas 3900 02:44:05,510 --> 02:44:03,200 um you know which is the indian term for 3901 02:44:06,550 --> 02:44:05,520 the the different ages that the greeks 3902 02:44:08,950 --> 02:44:06,560 called 3903 02:44:09,830 --> 02:44:08,960 iron bronze silver and golden age and so 3904 02:44:12,550 --> 02:44:09,840 yeah i 3905 02:44:14,309 --> 02:44:12,560 do think there's something to it i don't 3906 02:44:16,230 --> 02:44:14,319 know exactly what it is i don't know 3907 02:44:19,670 --> 02:44:16,240 that the math was crystal clear 3908 02:44:21,950 --> 02:44:19,680 through the ages but 3909 02:44:23,830 --> 02:44:21,960 it'd be neat you know had the 3910 02:44:27,110 --> 02:44:23,840 conquistadors 3911 02:44:30,710 --> 02:44:27,120 not destroyed the entire 3912 02:44:31,990 --> 02:44:30,720 mayan library we would know a lot more 3913 02:44:35,429 --> 02:44:32,000 today wouldn't we 3914 02:44:37,670 --> 02:44:35,439 what do you think that uh uh 3915 02:44:39,349 --> 02:44:37,680 john would say today would it just be 3916 02:44:41,510 --> 02:44:39,359 the same thing that he was 3917 02:44:42,790 --> 02:44:41,520 uh speaking about leading up to december 3918 02:44:44,550 --> 02:44:42,800 21st 2012 3919 02:44:48,469 --> 02:44:44,560 it would be the same conversations today 3920 02:44:55,190 --> 02:44:51,910 you know he really studied uh the topic 3921 02:44:59,030 --> 02:44:55,200 uh it's pretty scholarly and 3922 02:45:00,070 --> 02:44:59,040 and so i would think that he would have 3923 02:45:03,670 --> 02:45:00,080 some 3924 02:45:05,429 --> 02:45:03,680 if he was still around that's 3925 02:45:08,469 --> 02:45:05,439 it's always a tragedy when you lose a 3926 02:45:14,790 --> 02:45:11,590 but yeah i 3927 02:45:16,710 --> 02:45:14,800 i do think that he was really exploring 3928 02:45:20,389 --> 02:45:16,720 this idea of the yugas and 3929 02:45:23,429 --> 02:45:20,399 and and getting much more interested in 3930 02:45:25,429 --> 02:45:23,439 in what not just the mayans but other 3931 02:45:27,990 --> 02:45:25,439 uh cultures we're talking about we we 3932 02:45:32,150 --> 02:45:28,000 talked once about the hopi which is 3933 02:45:37,349 --> 02:45:35,510 sort of i guess they'd be 3934 02:45:39,670 --> 02:45:37,359 descendants of you know some of the 3935 02:45:41,910 --> 02:45:39,680 mayan people in some ways 3936 02:45:44,230 --> 02:45:41,920 and they have their myths about the 3937 02:45:45,830 --> 02:45:44,240 different worlds the mayans called them 3938 02:45:47,670 --> 02:45:45,840 different sons with the hope we call 3939 02:45:49,830 --> 02:45:47,680 them different worlds 3940 02:45:51,910 --> 02:45:49,840 and so there seems to be something real 3941 02:45:53,990 --> 02:45:51,920 there 3942 02:45:56,469 --> 02:45:54,000 i wish i knew what it was for certain 3943 02:45:58,230 --> 02:45:56,479 well now when we look at 3944 02:46:00,230 --> 02:45:58,240 the the different cultures and 3945 02:46:02,870 --> 02:46:00,240 civilizations around the world that 3946 02:46:04,710 --> 02:46:02,880 have these ginormous calendars and these 3947 02:46:07,910 --> 02:46:04,720 cycles of time 3948 02:46:11,510 --> 02:46:07,920 do they eventually lock up uh 3949 02:46:17,269 --> 02:46:11,520 with each other where they 3950 02:46:23,750 --> 02:46:20,550 um it appears a few of them do so 3951 02:46:25,990 --> 02:46:23,760 uh such as i have got this 3952 02:46:27,429 --> 02:46:26,000 i've got this in my book but uh so i'm 3953 02:46:31,190 --> 02:46:27,439 trying to remember 3954 02:46:35,990 --> 02:46:31,200 but i i believe the uh the ancient 3955 02:46:39,910 --> 02:46:36,000 hebrew uh the start of their calendar 3956 02:46:41,269 --> 02:46:39,920 uh goes very well uh with the start of 3957 02:46:44,550 --> 02:46:41,279 the mayan 3958 02:46:47,110 --> 02:46:44,560 uh and i think it's it's 3959 02:46:47,910 --> 02:46:47,120 what they put us in the force sun so i 3960 02:46:49,750 --> 02:46:47,920 think it's the 3961 02:46:51,190 --> 02:46:49,760 start of their second son something like 3962 02:46:54,230 --> 02:46:51,200 that and there's 3963 02:46:56,070 --> 02:46:54,240 there's another one too but 3964 02:46:57,750 --> 02:46:56,080 again it's in the early chapters of lost 3965 02:46:59,590 --> 02:46:57,760 durham at the time i don't remember the 3966 02:47:02,710 --> 02:46:59,600 exact 3967 02:47:07,190 --> 02:47:02,720 correlation there well and how does this 3968 02:47:10,550 --> 02:47:07,200 uh relate to the age of aquarius 3969 02:47:12,790 --> 02:47:10,560 and and and the precession and 3970 02:47:13,590 --> 02:47:12,800 and the reason the reason why i bring 3971 02:47:16,630 --> 02:47:13,600 that up 3972 02:47:18,070 --> 02:47:16,640 is the mayan calendar like way out of 3973 02:47:21,590 --> 02:47:18,080 sync 3974 02:47:23,429 --> 02:47:21,600 with the other cosmology that we know as 3975 02:47:27,349 --> 02:47:23,439 you know pretty much fact because we can 3976 02:47:31,910 --> 02:47:29,830 no it's it's a great uh comment you're 3977 02:47:35,590 --> 02:47:31,920 making there 3978 02:47:36,950 --> 02:47:35,600 so this term the dawning of the age of 3979 02:47:41,510 --> 02:47:36,960 aquarius 3980 02:47:45,190 --> 02:47:41,520 uh is is a processional movement it's 3981 02:47:48,469 --> 02:47:45,200 when you look at uh 3982 02:47:51,750 --> 02:47:48,479 at the heavens on the 3983 02:47:54,389 --> 02:47:51,760 spring equinox we have moved 3984 02:47:56,070 --> 02:47:54,399 slowly through the age of pisces over 3985 02:47:57,830 --> 02:47:56,080 the last 2000 years 3986 02:47:59,110 --> 02:47:57,840 to now just coming into the age of 3987 02:48:01,670 --> 02:47:59,120 aquarius 3988 02:48:02,790 --> 02:48:01,680 so yeah it's right around now and the 3989 02:48:05,429 --> 02:48:02,800 reason 3990 02:48:06,550 --> 02:48:05,439 i can't pin it down exactly to a year 3991 02:48:09,670 --> 02:48:06,560 for you 3992 02:48:10,790 --> 02:48:09,680 is that people argue about well where is 3993 02:48:14,230 --> 02:48:10,800 the beginning 3994 02:48:17,349 --> 02:48:14,240 of aquarius and you know where exactly 3995 02:48:19,429 --> 02:48:17,359 do you cut off a constellation 3996 02:48:20,790 --> 02:48:19,439 we've done it in modern times just with 3997 02:48:23,670 --> 02:48:20,800 you know 3998 02:48:25,910 --> 02:48:23,680 just saying well each one is uh 30 3999 02:48:26,710 --> 02:48:25,920 degrees so you have 12 that's 360 4000 02:48:28,870 --> 02:48:26,720 degrees 4001 02:48:31,750 --> 02:48:28,880 but we think the ancients were a little 4002 02:48:34,870 --> 02:48:31,760 bit more accurate on these things 4003 02:48:38,070 --> 02:48:34,880 but anyway so that's that is uh 4004 02:48:41,510 --> 02:48:38,080 that term relates to how you 4005 02:48:45,030 --> 02:48:41,520 tell time in the great year and 4006 02:48:46,870 --> 02:48:45,040 uh and and the the hour hand or the 4007 02:48:48,550 --> 02:48:46,880 the clock face would be the 12 4008 02:48:51,110 --> 02:48:48,560 constellations 4009 02:48:52,710 --> 02:48:51,120 and the hour hand is the equinox that 4010 02:48:54,950 --> 02:48:52,720 that moves through them 4011 02:48:57,190 --> 02:48:54,960 you know it's really interesting to to 4012 02:49:01,510 --> 02:48:57,200 realize that 4013 02:49:02,950 --> 02:49:01,520 this great year is uh roughly 24 000 4014 02:49:05,429 --> 02:49:02,960 years long 4015 02:49:06,630 --> 02:49:05,439 you know 2 000 years through each 4016 02:49:09,670 --> 02:49:06,640 constellation 4017 02:49:12,710 --> 02:49:09,680 roughly um and it's it's 4018 02:49:15,269 --> 02:49:12,720 composed of two twelve thousand years 4019 02:49:16,950 --> 02:49:15,279 periods twelve thousand you're ascending 4020 02:49:18,230 --> 02:49:16,960 going up and then twelve thousand years 4021 02:49:20,870 --> 02:49:18,240 you're going down 4022 02:49:22,309 --> 02:49:20,880 that supposedly bottomed out around 500 4023 02:49:24,389 --> 02:49:22,319 a.d which is 4024 02:49:25,269 --> 02:49:24,399 pretty much the depths of the dark age 4025 02:49:28,070 --> 02:49:25,279 you know when all the great 4026 02:49:31,590 --> 02:49:28,080 civilizations had fallen 4027 02:49:35,269 --> 02:49:31,600 and we wear a microcosm of that 4028 02:49:37,830 --> 02:49:35,279 on our on our wrist today or it's on our 4029 02:49:39,349 --> 02:49:37,840 on our analog clocks you know there's 12 4030 02:49:42,150 --> 02:49:39,359 hours of am 4031 02:49:42,950 --> 02:49:42,160 and 12 hours of pm right for a total of 4032 02:49:47,590 --> 02:49:42,960 24 4033 02:49:49,269 --> 02:49:47,600 microcosm 4034 02:49:51,030 --> 02:49:49,279 of the great year and i think it's one 4035 02:49:52,630 --> 02:49:51,040 way that the ancients would try to 4036 02:49:55,510 --> 02:49:52,640 preserve these things 4037 02:49:56,710 --> 02:49:55,520 you know make them so obvious and in our 4038 02:49:59,110 --> 02:49:56,720 daily lives 4039 02:50:00,469 --> 02:49:59,120 that perhaps we won't forget them during 4040 02:50:03,910 --> 02:50:00,479 the dark age 4041 02:50:08,309 --> 02:50:03,920 uh but most people did well 4042 02:50:11,030 --> 02:50:08,319 when we look at uh the 25-800 4043 02:50:13,190 --> 02:50:11,040 you know year-long cycle right the 4044 02:50:15,670 --> 02:50:13,200 precession 4045 02:50:17,190 --> 02:50:15,680 that's based on the current current rate 4046 02:50:19,429 --> 02:50:17,200 that's right that's right 4047 02:50:21,990 --> 02:50:19,439 and and i still don't know how the 4048 02:50:25,269 --> 02:50:22,000 ancients figure that out i've 4049 02:50:27,110 --> 02:50:25,279 yeah you and i and and jason martel 4050 02:50:29,269 --> 02:50:27,120 you know we've sat and talked about this 4051 02:50:30,950 --> 02:50:29,279 so much but i can't imagine 4052 02:50:32,950 --> 02:50:30,960 you know like putting a stick in the 4053 02:50:36,230 --> 02:50:32,960 ground and 4054 02:50:38,950 --> 02:50:36,240 right and then looking at it and and and 4055 02:50:42,790 --> 02:50:38,960 matching that up with the stars 4056 02:50:47,190 --> 02:50:42,800 day after day after day for generations 4057 02:50:50,469 --> 02:50:47,200 to come up with a a degree a degree 4058 02:50:52,469 --> 02:50:50,479 i mean how i i just i i can't wrap my 4059 02:50:57,110 --> 02:50:52,479 mind around that but anyway 4060 02:51:00,950 --> 02:50:57,120 um back in uh i think it was around 1930 4061 02:51:04,550 --> 02:51:00,960 where the uh the astronomical union 4062 02:51:05,429 --> 02:51:04,560 said okay uh age of aquarius is going to 4063 02:51:08,550 --> 02:51:05,439 be around 4064 02:51:11,190 --> 02:51:08,560 ce 2600 4065 02:51:13,349 --> 02:51:11,200 according to our calculations and that 4066 02:51:15,750 --> 02:51:13,359 kind of bummed me out 4067 02:51:18,790 --> 02:51:15,760 and and the reason for that well yeah i 4068 02:51:21,269 --> 02:51:18,800 i'm not going to be around for it right 4069 02:51:23,030 --> 02:51:21,279 and it's uh it's way out there it's it's 4070 02:51:24,389 --> 02:51:23,040 2600 and 4071 02:51:26,950 --> 02:51:24,399 you know at the time when i had read 4072 02:51:29,830 --> 02:51:26,960 this i was probably 10 years old 4073 02:51:31,030 --> 02:51:29,840 um and i liked the fifth dimension i 4074 02:51:33,269 --> 02:51:31,040 liked the song 4075 02:51:34,710 --> 02:51:33,279 i checked it out if you know what it is 4076 02:51:37,190 --> 02:51:34,720 yeah it was it was yeah 4077 02:51:38,070 --> 02:51:37,200 well when you go and you jump into this 4078 02:51:41,429 --> 02:51:38,080 there have been 4079 02:51:43,030 --> 02:51:41,439 age of aquarius numbers that have been 4080 02:51:45,030 --> 02:51:43,040 throwing around you know 4081 02:51:46,389 --> 02:51:45,040 it's in the 1800s it's in the early 4082 02:51:49,750 --> 02:51:46,399 1900s 4083 02:51:52,389 --> 02:51:49,760 in 1850 it's in 1844. it's going to be 4084 02:51:53,750 --> 02:51:52,399 in 1979 it's going to be a valentine's 4085 02:51:56,150 --> 02:51:53,760 day in 2006. 4086 02:51:57,670 --> 02:51:56,160 whatever the these numbers have been 4087 02:52:00,870 --> 02:51:57,680 thrown out there everywhere 4088 02:52:04,150 --> 02:52:00,880 is it because they can't come up with an 4089 02:52:06,389 --> 02:52:04,160 actual start date and 4090 02:52:07,349 --> 02:52:06,399 which takes me back to the mayan 4091 02:52:09,670 --> 02:52:07,359 calendar 4092 02:52:12,469 --> 02:52:09,680 how can you know what the official start 4093 02:52:15,910 --> 02:52:12,479 date is for it to line up to now 4094 02:52:19,750 --> 02:52:15,920 could it line up with 2600 uh 4095 02:52:21,510 --> 02:52:19,760 you know a.d do you understand where i'm 4096 02:52:21,990 --> 02:52:21,520 going with this we don't have the start 4097 02:52:25,510 --> 02:52:22,000 date 4098 02:52:27,030 --> 02:52:25,520 of any calendar so therefore calculating 4099 02:52:30,630 --> 02:52:27,040 things today 4100 02:52:33,830 --> 02:52:30,640 with precision uh it doesn't really work 4101 02:52:36,230 --> 02:52:33,840 at least in my mind 4102 02:52:37,429 --> 02:52:36,240 yeah we don't understand the great clock 4103 02:52:39,590 --> 02:52:37,439 in the sky 4104 02:52:42,230 --> 02:52:39,600 the way the ancients did that's for sure 4105 02:52:43,269 --> 02:52:42,240 because we just don't observe it very 4106 02:52:47,510 --> 02:52:43,279 much 4107 02:52:50,950 --> 02:52:47,520 we do have you know some understanding 4108 02:52:55,750 --> 02:52:50,960 from kepler we we know that the 4109 02:52:58,950 --> 02:52:55,760 um you know that the procession rate 4110 02:53:02,070 --> 02:52:58,960 isn't the same every single year 4111 02:53:03,830 --> 02:53:02,080 it's it speeds up and it slows down 4112 02:53:06,309 --> 02:53:03,840 exactly what you would expect if 4113 02:53:08,309 --> 02:53:06,319 precession is caused by 4114 02:53:09,590 --> 02:53:08,319 our whole solar system orbiting another 4115 02:53:11,910 --> 02:53:09,600 star you know 4116 02:53:13,349 --> 02:53:11,920 as you get closer to the mass we go a 4117 02:53:15,910 --> 02:53:13,359 little faster as you get farther away 4118 02:53:18,790 --> 02:53:15,920 from the mass we go a little bit slower 4119 02:53:20,870 --> 02:53:18,800 and the procession rate has been 4120 02:53:22,790 --> 02:53:20,880 speeding up we have really good records 4121 02:53:26,630 --> 02:53:22,800 of this the last 4122 02:53:29,190 --> 02:53:26,640 few hundred years um 4123 02:53:31,349 --> 02:53:29,200 but the actual cut off of you know how 4124 02:53:35,830 --> 02:53:31,359 big is this number 4125 02:53:38,870 --> 02:53:35,840 and think of think of aquarius as uh 4126 02:53:42,230 --> 02:53:38,880 you know the number one if aries is 4127 02:53:45,830 --> 02:53:42,240 12 on a clock and that's if you use 4128 02:53:47,349 --> 02:53:45,840 use the spring equinox but yeah they're 4129 02:53:48,790 --> 02:53:47,359 all a little bit different size and we 4130 02:53:50,630 --> 02:53:48,800 don't know they cut off 4131 02:53:52,870 --> 02:53:50,640 and and that's okay heck you wouldn't 4132 02:53:54,950 --> 02:53:52,880 want to know for sure that the 4133 02:53:55,910 --> 02:53:54,960 the earth is ending what would you do if 4134 02:53:59,030 --> 02:53:55,920 it was 4135 02:54:02,790 --> 02:54:00,950 i'm putting you on the spot i wouldn't 4136 02:54:05,030 --> 02:54:02,800 be doing this show with you i'll be 4137 02:54:08,230 --> 02:54:05,040 playing guitar with my wife on an 4138 02:54:08,790 --> 02:54:08,240 island somewhere uh listening to van 4139 02:54:11,670 --> 02:54:08,800 halen 4140 02:54:13,510 --> 02:54:11,680 and eating lots of captain crunch that's 4141 02:54:14,389 --> 02:54:13,520 what i would do i throw all caution to 4142 02:54:17,429 --> 02:54:14,399 the wind 4143 02:54:20,790 --> 02:54:17,439 and the uh and there's reasons 4144 02:54:23,590 --> 02:54:20,800 to to think like that too as well 4145 02:54:25,429 --> 02:54:23,600 but the reason why i want to know if 4146 02:54:29,030 --> 02:54:25,439 anything locks up 4147 02:54:31,110 --> 02:54:29,040 is because if we if we cross 4148 02:54:33,590 --> 02:54:31,120 start to cross-reference all of these 4149 02:54:36,710 --> 02:54:33,600 ancient calendars 4150 02:54:36,950 --> 02:54:36,720 and we can get a beginning date and and 4151 02:54:41,269 --> 02:54:36,960 an 4152 02:54:43,510 --> 02:54:41,279 the precession 4153 02:54:45,590 --> 02:54:43,520 then we have something to go on and it's 4154 02:54:49,830 --> 02:54:45,600 the proof that we need 4155 02:54:51,990 --> 02:54:49,840 uh to show that ancient man wasn't dumb 4156 02:54:53,429 --> 02:54:52,000 and i i don't want to hear that stone 4157 02:54:56,469 --> 02:54:53,439 age man didn't have 4158 02:54:58,950 --> 02:54:56,479 a clue on anything uh because 4159 02:55:00,630 --> 02:54:58,960 clearly uh we understood things five 4160 02:55:02,230 --> 02:55:00,640 thousand years ago that we don't have a 4161 02:55:04,630 --> 02:55:02,240 grasp on today 4162 02:55:07,030 --> 02:55:04,640 that's why i'm i just want to see 4163 02:55:10,950 --> 02:55:07,040 something out there just like e walter 4164 02:55:13,990 --> 02:55:10,960 with the procession and all of these uh 4165 02:55:16,550 --> 02:55:14,000 cultures calendars that they 4166 02:55:17,910 --> 02:55:16,560 that they lived by if we can get them to 4167 02:55:19,590 --> 02:55:17,920 sync up with each other 4168 02:55:22,550 --> 02:55:19,600 then we're going to find out something 4169 02:55:25,510 --> 02:55:22,560 i'm i'm very excited about it 4170 02:55:26,070 --> 02:55:25,520 yeah you know the the my favorite book 4171 02:55:28,469 --> 02:55:26,080 on that 4172 02:55:29,830 --> 02:55:28,479 is that uh holy science book i mentioned 4173 02:55:32,389 --> 02:55:29,840 it's by 4174 02:55:34,790 --> 02:55:32,399 it was written in the 1800s by swami 4175 02:55:38,309 --> 02:55:34,800 sryuk pesfor 4176 02:55:40,389 --> 02:55:38,319 just a beautiful beautiful 4177 02:55:42,950 --> 02:55:40,399 book but he not only talks about the 4178 02:55:45,349 --> 02:55:42,960 calculations 4179 02:55:47,590 --> 02:55:45,359 but he talks about uh the different 4180 02:55:49,389 --> 02:55:47,600 characteristics of each age 4181 02:55:51,510 --> 02:55:49,399 and he said you know you can only 4182 02:55:53,910 --> 02:55:51,520 understand ages 4183 02:55:55,830 --> 02:55:53,920 below you because we use so little of 4184 02:55:57,349 --> 02:55:55,840 our brains right now you know the dark 4185 02:55:59,269 --> 02:55:57,359 age you use like 10 4186 02:56:00,950 --> 02:55:59,279 and now we've just come out of the dark 4187 02:56:03,269 --> 02:56:00,960 age with the renaissance and we're using 4188 02:56:06,870 --> 02:56:03,279 maybe 12 or 15 4189 02:56:09,990 --> 02:56:06,880 um but when you start using you know 4190 02:56:13,429 --> 02:56:10,000 half your brain or something in uh 4191 02:56:16,790 --> 02:56:13,439 say in the next stage starting 4100 a.d 4192 02:56:18,309 --> 02:56:16,800 uh it's supposed to be uh telepathy is 4193 02:56:19,429 --> 02:56:18,319 once again supposed to be common 4194 02:56:21,190 --> 02:56:19,439 knowledge 4195 02:56:22,790 --> 02:56:21,200 and imagine what a better world it would 4196 02:56:28,150 --> 02:56:22,800 be if 4197 02:56:34,790 --> 02:56:30,469 it'd be annoying intuitive it'd be a 4198 02:56:39,429 --> 02:56:38,389 oh man and uh before uh we say good 4199 02:56:43,030 --> 02:56:39,439 night 4200 02:56:46,150 --> 02:56:43,040 do you think uh that 4201 02:56:47,030 --> 02:56:46,160 there is a gravitational pull right now 4202 02:56:56,550 --> 02:56:47,040 that 4203 02:56:59,429 --> 02:56:56,560 2020 on this planet where it seems like 4204 02:57:00,230 --> 02:56:59,439 uh we have nothing but confusion right 4205 02:57:03,110 --> 02:57:00,240 now 4206 02:57:03,349 --> 02:57:03,120 is it is it an outside influence or is 4207 02:57:07,030 --> 02:57:03,359 it 4208 02:57:09,830 --> 02:57:07,040 us you know 4209 02:57:11,830 --> 02:57:09,840 astronomy is called the royal science uh 4210 02:57:13,910 --> 02:57:11,840 but what was its 4211 02:57:14,950 --> 02:57:13,920 ancestor where did it come from it came 4212 02:57:18,630 --> 02:57:14,960 from what we call 4213 02:57:19,510 --> 02:57:18,640 astrology which uh is completely 4214 02:57:22,309 --> 02:57:19,520 denigrated 4215 02:57:23,429 --> 02:57:22,319 uh right now in in mainstream science 4216 02:57:26,389 --> 02:57:23,439 but 4217 02:57:27,590 --> 02:57:26,399 astrology would say yes every heavenly 4218 02:57:31,510 --> 02:57:27,600 body 4219 02:57:34,230 --> 02:57:31,520 has its effect and i think science is 4220 02:57:35,990 --> 02:57:34,240 just barely acknowledging a little piece 4221 02:57:37,670 --> 02:57:36,000 of that you know that okay it has some 4222 02:57:39,750 --> 02:57:37,680 gravitational effect but it certainly 4223 02:57:42,630 --> 02:57:39,760 has no other effect on us 4224 02:57:44,389 --> 02:57:42,640 and i imagine that when we're a much 4225 02:57:46,790 --> 02:57:44,399 wiser species 4226 02:57:47,750 --> 02:57:46,800 using much more of our brains far more 4227 02:57:50,710 --> 02:57:47,760 conscious 4228 02:57:51,670 --> 02:57:50,720 we'll realize that you know not only are 4229 02:57:54,469 --> 02:57:51,680 we 4230 02:57:56,790 --> 02:57:54,479 much more than just this physical bag of 4231 02:57:59,910 --> 02:57:56,800 blood and bones walking around 4232 02:58:01,030 --> 02:57:59,920 but that um there are there are much 4233 02:58:03,030 --> 02:58:01,040 finer forces 4234 02:58:04,469 --> 02:58:03,040 and and that we're all sort of affecting 4235 02:58:07,670 --> 02:58:04,479 each other 4236 02:58:08,950 --> 02:58:07,680 and yes that's that's my guess and i've 4237 02:58:12,150 --> 02:58:08,960 gone on a limb 4238 02:58:15,030 --> 02:58:12,160 now definitely when uh 4239 02:58:17,030 --> 02:58:15,040 is cpac happening did you have to move 4240 02:58:19,670 --> 02:58:17,040 it to next year 4241 02:58:20,870 --> 02:58:19,680 yeah we just just postponed it we were 4242 02:58:22,950 --> 02:58:20,880 gonna do it 4243 02:58:24,389 --> 02:58:22,960 uh you know in the fall like we always 4244 02:58:27,990 --> 02:58:24,399 do but 4245 02:58:29,110 --> 02:58:28,000 um you know until things are really safe 4246 02:58:32,550 --> 02:58:29,120 we just 4247 02:58:35,190 --> 02:58:32,560 don't want everyone to travel to get in 4248 02:58:37,349 --> 02:58:35,200 one room so we're talking about some 4249 02:58:38,230 --> 02:58:37,359 virtual ideas and maybe i can talk to 4250 02:58:39,750 --> 02:58:38,240 you offline and 4251 02:58:42,469 --> 02:58:39,760 we can brainstorm on that yeah 4252 02:58:44,870 --> 02:58:42,479 absolutely absolutely it was supposed to 4253 02:58:48,550 --> 02:58:44,880 be october 4th through the 6th 4254 02:58:49,710 --> 02:58:48,560 and everybody can go to cpac online 4255 02:58:51,670 --> 02:58:49,720 and the links are over at 4256 02:58:52,389 --> 02:58:51,680 jimmychurchradio.com to stay on top of 4257 02:58:54,230 --> 02:58:52,399 things 4258 02:58:56,230 --> 02:58:54,240 i would love to talk to you more about 4259 02:58:58,429 --> 02:58:56,240 it it's such an important conference 4260 02:58:59,990 --> 02:58:58,439 and of course there is dot 4261 02:59:01,269 --> 02:59:00,000 binaryresearchinstitute.com as well we 4262 02:59:04,150 --> 02:59:01,279 have those links up 4263 02:59:06,870 --> 02:59:04,160 walter cruttenton amazing conversation 4264 02:59:09,510 --> 02:59:06,880 thank you so much sir 4265 02:59:10,710 --> 02:59:09,520 thank you jimmy surf away you're the 4266 02:59:14,469 --> 02:59:10,720 best 4267 02:59:17,349 --> 02:59:14,479 walter grunted yeah absolutely and uh 4268 02:59:17,830 --> 02:59:17,359 going pole to pole tonight all the way 4269 02:59:19,830 --> 02:59:17,840 through 4270 02:59:23,230 --> 02:59:19,840 overtime with walter thank you so much 4271 02:59:24,630 --> 02:59:23,240 again uh cpac online at 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